Para GI Expert is the best 1911 deal on the market for $

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this is a "no whining" thread

if you don't have anything pertinent to add to the topic, save the cry baby stuff for your relatives-they HAVE to listen to it.
 
Calm down guys seriously, 4 posts total and you are already calling someone a troll. Anyways any more about the PAra?
 
so, according to you, people shouldn't be allowed to post a thread about a gun they've just had for a month?
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Sure, you can. We encourage it.

We also encourage intellectual honesty and realistic evaluations.
i just bought the new para gi expert 1911 about 3 weeks ago, for the money there is no other 1911 that can touch it.
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Such a glowing recommendation and strong statement after three weeks of ownership and with no alternative pistols against which you make your first-hand evaluation, is simply not intellectually defensible.

Words matter. Just because it's the Internet doesn't mean that we can leave our intellectual rigor by the wayside.

I am glad you like your Para. I have the same model, and I'm not disappointed with it in terms of its functioning or accuracy. But it's not the most accurate, nor is it actually a 100% parts-compatible 1911-pattern pistol, nor is it made from the best parts, and so forth. As a result, it is NOT the best value in its price range.

Shoot it and enjoy it.

But don't try to blow smoke up my kilt, because I'm far too old and cranky (and experienced) to willingly accept such things.
 
well i'm not sure what the amount of time that i've owned it has to do with anything.

it's actually the performance of the gi expert at the range and the amount of rounds fired through it that count!

i looked at an sti spartan, and didn't see the same quality in the philippine made spartan that i see in the para, at all. the slide to frame fit, trigger pull, and barrel quality on the spartan were all inferior to the gi expert.

not saying it's a bad gun though, seemed nice. glad you like it though, to each his own, and thanx for your opinion

you can find parts for it the gi expert too, even if it's not standard, most 1911's will require minor fitting anyway, so it's not different in this respect.

sorry to hear you wear a kilt though, might fly in scotland, but is rather demasculating in america :)
 
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no more whiners crying about trolls lol

only friendly posts here please :)
 
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rbernie-Im rather impressed with your level headed responce,hopefully i can do the same.

S&WMP45-Ive read this thread a few times and its given me some mental images i thought id share.
I see you standing on a hill proclaiming you and your para the "King of the 1911 hill" all be it the lower end of the range.And you dare people to try and knock you off your top spot with facts.
But the facts stand at this: you got a good gun and it works well for you and you like it.
Ive seen many a thread about $400-$600 price ranged 1911's and the Para is always at the bottom of the list.Not because its a bad weapon,but because it has some cons people dont like.
I like my 1911 alot,but i wouldnt give it diservice buy proclaiming it the "King of 1911's"
 
lol i never said i thought the gi expert was "the king of the hill"

actually i just fired my new springer champion operator at the range, only put 50 rouns through it, but despite the shorter barrel it shoots tighter groups than my gi expert
 
you can find parts for it the gi expert too, even if it's not standard, most 1911's will require minor fitting anyway, so it's not different in this respect.
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It *is* different. There is a difference between gunsmith-fitted parts like a thumb safety and parts that are truely standard, like a mag release.

The only way to fit a replacement mag release to the Para is to spend three hours or more reshaping the standard 1911 part to fit into the weird Para frame cutout.

That's not a huge deal, if you like the Para and don't plan on putting 'other' 1911 parts in it. But if you ever have an issue with that part (maybe from the Para cast part breaking?), you may be sad that you can only get a replacement from Para and cannot use the millions of aftermarket/alternative manufacturer parts in replacement.

actually i just fired my new springer champion operator at the range, only put 50 rouns through it, but despite the shorter barrel it shoots tighter groups than my gi expert
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Thus proving out the old axiom that whetever you have in hand is always the best, until you try something else and THAT becomes the best.

:)

Shoot well...
 
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yeah i hear ya on the compatability issue, but i'd send my gi expert to the para pro shop for the custome work anyway, just so it wouldn't void the warranty. i heard para's real anal about custom work voiding your warranty.
 
Current Colts can be purchased new for ~700 and are much better guns made with much better forged steel.

A Springfield GI can be found for the same price and is also forged like a 1911 should be.

The para might be a nice gun, but at >$500 I'll definitely go somewhere else.

A cast 1911 is a deal breaker for me. Rugers were designed to be cast, 1911s are not.

If a cast 1911 was not a deal breaker, then $550 for a cast 1911 is definitely a deal breaker.
 
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yeah i hear ya on the compatability issue, but i'd send my gi expert to the para pro shop for the custome work anyway, just so it wouldn't void the warranty. i heard para's real anal about custom work voiding your warranty.
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Not a good sign in my opinion. Any unmodded part should still be covered in the manufacturing and defects warranty. The difficulties dealing with Para aren't worth the heartburn dealing with any problems. Good customer service is a trait I value highly when considering a product.
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dude the STI Spartan is just an amazing 1911 for the cash, it easily competes with higher priced 1911, like the Kimber Custom, higher priced Springers ect. i have nother bad to say bout the Spartan and think it is easily the best lower priced 1911
 
An STI Spartan can be had for around the same price and it is just as accurate as a lot of $1500-$2000 1911s. I can say this because we were shooting it side by side some very nice semi-custom 1911s. It may be made in the Phillipines, but STI backs it with their warranty.


I have not been impressed with Para's quality. My Brother had a stainless P-14 Limited in 45. We had just shot it and were picking up the brass when I found a little silver disc on the ground. I picked it up and it was smooth on one side and serrated on the other. I realized what it was and asked my brother for the Para. He gave it to me and I looked at the muzzle.......the serrated nub on the recoil spring plug had popped off. it looked like it was just glued on. I told him that that was not suppose to happen. We lost respect for Para after that happened.
 
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well i'm not sure what the amount of time that i've owned it has to do with anything.
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Wait.... What? You don't understand why you owning a gun for a month and then referring thusly:

i just bought the new para gi expert 1911 about 3 weeks ago, for the money there is no other 1911 that can touch it.
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might be a little hard to swallow? Good for you that you got a great pistol, but it's a little dubious to heap praise upon it when you haven't had a month. I am sure plenty of people had Yugo's that ran for more than a month, and look how that turned out.

Now, you may be right. Time may prove your statement correct. But if you can't see where delivering such high praise after such a short period of time is basically nothing more than hyperbole, then I don't think we can have an intelligent discussion about this.

Also, there is nothing "demasculating" about wearing a kilt in America. I won't say I see them every day, but I do see them a lot, and I have yet to ever think anything other than "hey, nice kilt".
 
it's been a month and a half (if that matters) and 500 rounds-still an awesome gun!

not many rounds of course, but like i said already-it's the amount of rounds and performance at the range that count, not the time owned (a couple folks apparently missed the point on this one;))

if this doesn't meet your exacting standards for a review, you don't have to like my thread (or read it) lol it is a free country ya know:neener:
 
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it's the amount of rounds and performance at the range that count, not the time owned
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Sigh. What you are overlooking is long-term performance, which is the point we are all trying to make to you. No one gives a hoot about short-term performance. I don't think anyone cares about round count in terms of "Hey, you shot X and that means your gun is awesome", but I think what we are all trying to say is that a small number of rounds over a small period of time does not make for a particularly good review. At best, it makes for a good first impression. I think we all can agree that it is cool that you like your gun and that it is working out well for you, but I also think we can all agree that we are more interested to see what you think of it in a year, once you have had time to get to know the gun a little better.
 
I once bought a S&W Sigma .40 based on a article where they shot it 100,000 times, and it turned out to be a doorstop.

I've carried my Kimber on ATVs, survival hikes, hunting, indoor and outdoor ranges, shot probably 10,000 rounds of .22 through it with a conversion kit, and carried it pretty much daily for about six years. I don't remember the last time I had a FTE, or FTF. I have no intentions of changing to another gun. I will probably be buried with it. I would carry it to war tomorrow if I were allowed to.
 
i'm pretty sure i'm allowed to say my gun is awesome, even after only 500 rounds, and really don't give two craps if you have an issue with it, TimboKhan.

so, according to you, no one should review a gun unless they've owned it for a year? i'm pretty sure that would eliminate most of the threads on here. most folks like to hear a first impression on a new gun; you're the only one that seems to be whining about that fact.


plus, you can always stay off the thread, if you don't like the topic.
 
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I've seen a pic of a ParaUSA 1911 that a slide snappd in two. That's enough to make me stay away from them:barf:
 
GI Expert

I was finally able to shoot the one I bought. Shot 4 magazines through it, 2 Para, 1 Colt and 1 Mec-gar. Haven't been able to get my own ammo, so I used my dads. Otherwise I would have shot it a little more. The only problem I had was a failure to feed on the last round with the Colt mag.

My dad has a Taurus PT 1911. The only two things I like about it over the Para is the front checkering and the full length guide rod. The finish seems better on the Para it's a satin black, where the Taurus has a dull almost grey finish. Doesn't seem like it would hold up well, time will tell. I like the plainness of the Para.

I actually wanted a Springfield Mil-Spec. But all on Gun Broker at the time was the base GI models or Mil-Spec stainless. Overall I'm pretty happy with my Para. If I wanted to customize a 1911 (will someday), I'd buy a Colt and go from there. I really like this one. http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=457183
 
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