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Parabellum Research Ammo big-time 10mm and .44 Magnum

Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by intercooler, Nov 14, 2012.

  1. intercooler

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    Tested their new stuff today. Some of the strongest 10mm and .44 Magnum I have shot to date. Very nice ammo too!

    These numbers should top the list out of Ruger Redhawk 7.5" barrel:

    PBR Ammo 180gr V-Supreme JHP 1736, 1756, 1822, 1809, 1760. Average = 1776.6 FPS/ 1261.26 LBS. I wish I had taken a video or someone snapped a picture. Muzzle blast and fire-ball like no other!
    PBR Ammo 200gr V-Supreme JHP 1686, 1662, 1713. Average = 1687 FPS/ 1263.61 LBS. Big blast and flash!
    PBR Ammo 240gr V-Supreme JHP 1531, 1535, 1505, 1516. Average = 1521.75 FPS/ 1233.81 LBS.
    PBR Ammo 300gr V-Supreme JHP 1303, 1320, 1315, 1301, 1283, 1314. Average = 1306 FPS/ 1135.95 LBS

    I do believe these are closest to the stongest I have shot so far including Buffalo Bore.

    .44 Magnum data:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ak5OC6bPsjO8dFlJSEh0WWctdThTRGlpaFljS2x4VlE#gid=0
     
  2. intercooler

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    And 10mm today:

    (Match 4.75" Barrel)
    PBR Ammo Premium Line 200gr JHP 1235, 1277, 1278, 1290, 1291. Average = 1274.2 FPS/ 720.87 LBS. Snappy stuff here!
    PBR Ammo Premium Line 180gr FMJ V-Supreme 1344, 1334, 1344, 1306, 1351. Average = 1335.8 FPS/ 713.03 LBS. Another strong one. Also the end of Match testing because it appears the rear sight saved me from the last piece of brass by taking a direct hit. It's a two-piece now!

    (S&W 1006 5" Barrel)
    PBR Ammo 180gr FMJ V-Supreme 1399, 1385, 1308, 1360, 1376. Average = 1365.6 FPS/ 745.20 LBS
    PBR Ammo 165gr FMJ V-Supreme 1386, 1385, 1393, 1395, 1386. Average = 1389 FPS/ 706.71 LBS
    PBR Ammo 200gr FMJ V-Supreme 1266, 1262, 1293, 1303, 1302. Average = 1285.2 FPS/ 733.37 LBS
    PBR Ammo 180gr Premium Line JHP 1326, 1341, 1318, 1332, 1332. Average = 1329.8 FPS/706.64 LBS
    PBR Ammo 200gr Premium Line JHP 1260, 1274, 1235, 1291, 1253. Average = 1262.6 FPS/ 707.80 LBS

    10mm data:
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ak5OC6bPsjO8dEh6eGZ3N3hpUU13SXM5cm9pZy16T0E#gid=0
     
  3. intercooler

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    Good looking ammo in new Starline brass

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  4. intercooler

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    PBR Ammo

    10% discount code: JA-DSC-1
     
  5. hardluk1

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    There comparable to double tap ammo. I have not shot any 10mm but DT's 44mag 240gr speer 240gr sp load chronys at the same level with quality bullets as this pbammo out of a 8" DW revolver. Atleast prices are good.
     
  6. MachIVshooter

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    That's darn close to my handloads (180 @ 1,406 avg. from the 1006)

    Who wants to bet they're using IMR800x?
     
  7. intercooler

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    I will any amount you want! :D


    I know for a fact they aren't and they publicly stated 800-X isn't being used in our loads.

    I sent one each of all their rounds to be taken apart. I would love to hear your next guess though and how much! I will post the pictures and data when they are taken down.
     
  8. orionengnr

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    Thank you for the post.
    Great to see new sources of quality 10mm ammo.
     
  9. PabloJ

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    Have mercy and please stop this. If you continue I will have to get that "first batch" 6" S&W 610 and be out of another $900. It took all my inner force to resist that gun couple of weeks ago.
     
  10. otasan56

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    That is one stout 10mm loading!!!
     
  11. fastest45ever

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    I REALLY want a new gun right now. Glock 29 is the only one in the local shop for a reasonable price. Where do you get this ammo?

    297???
     
  12. intercooler

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  13. intercooler

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    Well the V-Supreme 200gr has been taken apart.

    If you guessed 14.0gr's of AA#9 you would be a winner. What do I get for Mach guessing wrong?
     
  14. fastest45ever

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    Why AA 9?

    Tried in .500 Linebaugh, .475 Linebaugh. Maybe my mistake was using a minimum powder charges for the different loads. It's VERY fast, but at the lower ends, in the big cases you end up with pretty substantial velocity variation.

    Guess it's a full throttle type powder?

    When you can move a 275 grain HP at 1560 fps, with a minimum load, that is pretty cool.
     
  15. intercooler

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    My guess is it meters well in production equipment.

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    And this

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    I would say that AA#9 is the safest powder that can
    be used in 10mm pistol shooting because no matter
    what weight bullet you want to shoot, I dont think
    you can put enough powder in the case to ever cause
    a problem. Once you get below 165 grains, you run
    out of case space and you cannot even get to the
    maximum SAAMI pressure spec. Even then it produces
    the highest book max velocities compared to all other
    powders on the market. ( 155gr JHP)

    For those reasons,
    it is my favorite and I cannot see any other powder
    competing with it with the possible exception of LongShot.

    AA# 9 may not produce the ultimate way over SAAMI
    pressure velocities as have 800X, PowerPistol, BlueDot
    and some others at hi powder quantities, but what it
    does produce is known and predictable and most of
    all respectable if not nuclear performance.
     
  16. otasan56

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    Hello, fellow reloader. I reload for 9mm, .357 magnum, .40 S&W, 10mm, .44 magnum, and .45 ACP.
     
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  17. RhinoDefense

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    Accurate powders meter very well through powder measures, but they aren't very economical. Takes a lot to fill up the case. Same velocity using Longshot will save you several grains of powder over #9. #9 is on the slower end of the useful burn rate for 10mm and very similar burn rate to Blue Dot and #2400. Slightly slower than Longshot.

    I got a chuckle when their site states they don't use hobbyist equipment yet the homepage shows a few Super 1050s.
     
  18. ATLDave

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    Interesting. Notably, Accurate lists 13.5gr AA#9 as the max for both listed jacketed 180 gr. bullets.
     
  19. intercooler

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    The teardowns continue. Ted Nugent had #7, MAC Ammo Power Pistol and all Underwood 800-X.

    This look like #7?

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