Pay Pal bashing....

[ScottsGT]

By me on another forum, non gun related. Here's my post followed by another member. Anyone want to help me argue my point, keeping the spirit of The High Road, of course!

I will not do business with paypal. They place too many restrictions on everything, and they are anti 2nd amendment. (owned by E-bay too)


Not to try to start an argument here, but how do you make the leap from PayPal not allowing their services to be used for the sale (legal or otherwise) of firearms and related items to the 2nd Amendment? Where does it say in their policy that they're against the 2nd Amendment? I don't read anything whatsoever about it in there.

Given the litigious nature of Americans, I don't blame them for not wanting their name associated with the sale (legal or otherwise) of weapons and related items. When whacko A kills innocent victim B and some lawyer finds out he bought the gun (legally or otherwise) and paid for it using PayPal and sues PayPal as a result, I can see their point. Are all institutions that impose any sort of restriction whatsoever on the unlimited right to buy and bear as as many guns as you can stuff into your pockets all of necessity anti-2nd Amendment? I didn't think so...

Just an observation...

 

[TexasRifleman]

Are all institutions that impose any sort of restriction whatsoever on the unlimited right to buy and bear as as many guns as you can stuff into your pockets all of necessity anti-2nd Amendment?

Any business that believes it has the right to judge or attempt to regulate what I do with my own money and my own freedoms is, at the core, un-American. They are, however, still free to do so just as I am free to spend my money somewhere else.

 

[Brad Johnson]

PayPal is owned by eBay. eBay does not allow firearms or firearms related parts. Ergo, PayPal is not to be used for the sale of firearms or firearms related parts. Their house, their rules.

Voluntarily using their service as a convenience for yourself pretty much negates any legitimate criticisms any us might have. I don't like their business rules either but sometimes it's the easiet and fastes way to get money from one place to another. It's that, or go to all the trouble to wire money, send a money order, or some other completely inconvenient method.

They don't have a gun to my head, I have alternatives. Which means I have no cause to harp and moan about them being successful.

I don't see anyone setting up an alternative, just a lot of grousing and moaning about a voluntary service that is, by definition, a convenience. Wasting time and breath in yet another fit of rightous indignation about it serves no purpose other than salving some personal irritation.

Brad

 

[harmonic]

Once upon a time I boycotted everything/everyone that disagreed with issues I considered important.

I ended up throwing my parents out of their own house and not being able to buy anything but tap water and air.

Sometimes we just have to agree to disagree.

 

[mpmarty]

BidPay?

OOPS!!!!

Urgent Notice

Effective December 31, 2007, BidPay.com, Inc. will be discontinuing operations. We regret any inconvenience to our users and thank you for your patronage over the years. Please note the following important details about the shutdown. Please plan accordingly.

· Effective IMMEDIATELY, BidPay will no longer accept new BidPay account registrations.

· Effective IMMEDIATELY, banner insertions for new auctions will be disabled. That means that any attempts to add “BidPay” as a payment option in auctions will not be effective. Accordingly, you should offer alternative forms of payment.

· Effective 5:00 P.M. PST, December 25, 2007, BidPay will cease accepting payments.

· From January 1, 2008 through 11:59 P.M. PST, January 31, 2008, registered users will have read-only access to their BidPay account information.

· Customer support services will be available through January 31, 2008 by contacting [email protected].

 

[jackmead]

Does anyone use Gearpay?

 

[Shooter57]

It's there choice to use pay pal or not. Ask if you can use his credit card to buy a few guns at your local store if he says no he must be against the 2nd amendment for not allowing you to use his card. Makes the same amount of sense.

 

[ckay]

Discrete paypal is fine.

 

[browningguy]

Anyone that will not allow you to exercise your second amendment can't possibly believe in it. It's really that simple.

Paypal allows the sale and purchase of pornagraphy (in some peoples view), lots of fakes (I'm also a coin collector and we have a jolly good time pointing out the ebay "power sellers" who constantly run scam auctions), but nothing related to firearms.

 

[DoubleTapDrew]

Anyone that will not allow you to exercise your second amendment can't possibly believe in it. It's really that simple.

And we are fortunate enough to live in America where you aren't forced to believe in anything you don't want to. It's capitalism. If they want to not allow firearms purchases they don't have to, and people don't have to use them. If they offend enough people they'll go out of business.
I reallly dislike the fact they don't allow firearms or firearm related purchases, but not as much as I dislike government intervention forcing businesses to do this or that. There are other methonds of payment.
Now if the gov't started printing "this note is legal tender for all debts except firearms" on our money I'd have a serious issue!

 

[bogie]

Guys, their problem is that they get sued.

They are visible. They get noticed. And people veg out over things like "interstate commerce."

Most folks don't see the difference between a "credit card company" and a "credit card processor." But Ebay/Paypal have enough publicity that they are a target. It's EASY for a lawyer to say "Sue Paypal" but he'd get laughed at if he said "Sue Mastercard, and the company who processed the transaction."

Who is responsible? You are, because you're not doing enough to teach folks that _objects_ are not evil.

 

[moewadle]

I agree with the majority of opinions given

in that this supposed to be a capitalistic and free society. If Paypal wants to exclude firearms that is their right. It is about the same thing as a restaurant owner declaring the restaurant is a smoking restaurant, or a no-smoking restaurant. The owner generally has the right to do this and if you disagree then don't patronize that business. And, who said that any given person has to agree with the 2nd amendment? No one is breaking the law simply for disagreeing with some aspect of the US Constitution.

 

[akodo]

This has been brought up before, and it is a grey area.

Some people have said 'Well if big box store A (walmart) sells guns but big box store B does not(target) then B must be anti-2nd amendment' That logic does not flow with me. There are very many reasons B may choose to not sell guns, insurance, business plan, not trusting the employees to do the paperwork right, etc. However, if B says 'we choose to not sell guns because they are bad' that is entirely different. That is anti 2nd, and my actions would reflect that.

And this does sometimes happen. Ask why a magazine kiosk doesn't stock gun rags, the response may be 'don't sell well enough to justify the space' that is fine. The response may be 'i only carry magazines I like to read, call it quality control or abiance, but it is my store and my choice, I don't read em, so I don't stock em' and that is fine too. The response may be 'guns are bad, we won't carry info on them any more than we would sell kiddy porn!' which is of course very anti 2nd.

My understanding of Ebay and Paypal is while they may be doing the whole 'we don't want to get sued' dance now, in the past they made it clear that they were against individual gun ownership or at least the ease at which firearms can be purchased, and decided to amend their policy to reflect their 'company values' and that is why I consider them anti RKBA

same with craigslist. Craig acknowledges that illegal drugs are sold on his website, and specifically allows prostitution ads in a certain area, but won't allow firearms sales because of his personal beliefs.

 

[BruceRDucer]

I quit using them

I quite using E-Bay and pay-pay over a year ago.

The reason I quit was all the PHISHING I got from crooks claiming to be with either one of them. I bet, for several years, I must have bought several thousands of dollars off e-bay, paying with Pay-Pal.

It got to be where I didn't know if I was dealing with crooks or what. I just decided though, the loss of business was E-Bay's problem, not mine.

So here's to you E-Bay: