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Peasants fighting back in rural China

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  1. Justin

    Justin Moderator Staff Member

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    THE CHAIR IS AGAINST THE WALL
    The Globe and Mail via Reason Online's Hit & Run blog:


    Peasants fighting back in rural China
    As land-dispute battles grow, a farmer tapes a deadly clash on video, GEOFFREY YORK writes

    By GEOFFREY YORK

    Saturday, June 18, 2005 Page A13

    BEIJING -- For the second time in recent weeks, Chinese peasants have emerged victorious from violent clashes sparked by protests against government land-development schemes.

    Article Here:
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/serv...C/20050618/CHINA18/TPInternational/TopStories

    Video Here:
    http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2673428?htv=12
     
  2. R.H. Lee

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    Fast forward 20 years in the U.S. Chillingly prophetic?????

    The video's so grainy I can't tell who's who, but it sounds like the government is using heavy artillery. I hope we're better organized. :uhoh:
     
  3. LAR-15

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    The Chinese are basically disarmed.

    A hoe is not an ideal weapon against guns.
     
  4. hifi

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    Yes, but if they emerged victorious as was mentioned above, then apparently it was enough to get the job done. So much for the "you can't fight the government because they have such powerful weapons arguement."

    It also takes some pretty hardcore and brainwashed government soldiers to fight their own countrymen.
     
  5. LAR-15

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    The Chinese definitely have some of those.
     
  6. hifi

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    The military and mass media is doing their best to ensure that we have some as well. You should see some of the videogames nowadays. U.S. militiamen as the 'enemy' or 'terrorists'. Condititioning kids that BillyBob with his AR-15 is the enemy.

    Urban warfare training for the military. The conditioning is everywhere.
     
  7. pax

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    I am reminded of something Jeff Cooper wrote awhile back:
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    The best defense against a usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry. -- Bill Buckley
     
  8. beerslurpy

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    Heh, when one side has more peasants than the other side has bullets, the hoe is a pretty effective weapon. You would think the Chinese Army would understand the military tactic they are credited with inventing.

    I didnt hear artillery, maybe tear case or some sort of rifle in the distance. Not sure. Someone brought gasoline I'm guessing, because that was one hell of a fire.

    By the way, just as many proles play first person shooters as military people. Actually I would bet that most players arent in the government, just by sheer volume of numbers. I think marines are already trained to follow orders and kill without hesitation, so having such things available to the general public is a good thing if the exrement ever hits the air circulator. It will actually even things out quite a bit.

    I also suspect that most marines have some inkling of what they are fighting for and would rightly hesitate to kill americans and tread upon the constitution, both of which they swore to protect and uphold.
     
  9. TrybalRage

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    As soon as the first soldier with a gun gets his head bashed in with a hoe, the scales tip a bit.
     
  10. beerslurpy

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    Wow I really dig those chinese peasants. For guys only armed with balls and pitchforks, they really are fighting the good fight.

    Actually, based on what I have been reading about 4th gen warfare, they are engaging in textbook media manipulation as practiced by the palestinians in Intafada I. Note that the chinese media continues to report sympathetically about the farmers and the government continues to vary between ineffectively attacking them and making concessions.

    Good work chinese peasants!
     
  11. Joejojoba111

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    Wait wait wait, so you're telling me that right now Chinese peasants are fighting for and winning rights and freedoms? While over here...
     
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    The guerillas almost always win.
     
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    Fate, it would seem, is not without a cruel sense of irony....
     
  14. Joejojoba111

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    :fire: And as this is happening there's a thread called ' High Court Rules Gov'ts Can Seize Property'. This is too f'd up to believe, China peasants fighting the good fight and winning in the media, and in the gov't decisions, over big business. And then America... Well at least there won't be a shortage of shopping malls. :fire:
     
  15. Bruce H

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    So lets get hoes, sombreros, and serapes. We arrive in D.C. They will think we are just gardeners until too late.
     
  16. beerslurpy

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    ... to burn down. There is a TON of outrage over this everywhere I look. Totally apolitical people are saying how they want to get involved now. On the rock station on the way to work, which is usually all rock no talk, the guy suddenly butted in with how "you are just renting your house from the government until they decide to take it" and I was like "holy crap, did I just hear the ghost of badnarik?"

    I dont think this eminent domain thing is over just yet.
     
  17. hifi

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    .....selling Chinese goods..

    Don't worry, it'll be forgotten in a week and we'll be talking about the latest "outrage".
     
  18. Too Many Choices!?

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    Hey Joe,

    Yeah that's what happens when you have nothing left to lose, as those Chinese men and women...

    While here, in the land of the soccer moms,Hollywood and MTV(no offense intended), nobody bats an eye(or dumps a bag of refer into the harbor :)) at the recent suspect high court rulings! The Founders just rolled over in their graves :cuss: !

    I sometimes think that people over here want to be ruled over,there's alot less thinking involved :( !...
     
  19. joab

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    When I was in the army I got pinched for the riot control squad.
    The instructor, a friend of mine, told me that the hardest part of the training was training us soldiers that the rioters were Americans and not our enemies and unteaching the he who stands before you is your enemy mentality that we had ingrained since BCT.

    My feeling was that the guys on the line were my friends and brothers, guy's that I slept in the mud with and spent days in foxholes with on EDREs, guy's who's names I knew. Unlike these miscreants who would be keeping me from 6 hours in a warm bed.

    The first one that got hit in the head with a hoe would have been the catalyst for an all out battle.

    The washout rate for riot control was pretty high overt aggression was weeded out. I was one of the failures and I was a pacifist compared to most of the guys I served with.

    The military wont be screening for compassion when it comes to put down a rebellion
     
  20. KriegHund

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    Theres rebels in the high mountains of china are fighting with muskets from the napeoolonic wars.
     
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  21. Joejojoba111

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    To clarify, in that article they said the 'strike breakers' were not Army, but 'thugs', who also had improvised weapons. Only their improvised weapons had bigger and sharper blades. One or two shotguns were present, too, but you can guess it's a model which is slow to reload.

    And when you have the military doing riot control in American cities, that'd be the time to wake up and realize it ain't America anymore! Lol.

    "I sometimes think that people over here want to be ruled over,there's alot less thinking involved !..."

    I sometimes think that TV and Video games make it possible to ignore reality a little too easily. Creature comforts make the creatures soft. And like an addict for opium, they'll say do or ignore almost anything to keep the comfort.

    And I don't see this going very far in the mainstream media either. Media companies themselves are big companies, no doubt. But they're usually owned by bigger companies, and those bigger companies are often somewhat controlled by giant giant money firms, who do nothing but move money around from this to that and that to the other. So there is no-one at all involved in controlling the media companies that would benefit from this decision receiving persistent bad-press.


    Hey guys, do you still want a decisive case to go to the Sup Crt on the 2nd amendment? You bet your ass you don't, looks like they can over-rule the constitution no matter how clearly it's written.
     
  22. beerslurpy

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    I think you guys mistake the type of rebellion that would happen, if any did. Think 4g warfare here. The whole goal is to take away their will to fight. If Americans just went on strike and refused to work, that would probably be 10x more effective than any armed insurrection.

    Oh you want tax money? Too bad.

    If there is an armed insurrection, it will be strictly low grade, nothing to provoke a meaningful reaction on the part of government. OK City was stupid for the same reason that 9/11 was. It actually focused the government's attention on fixing the problem rather than letting it be a continuous low grade annoyance like a mosquito.

    The US militia movement was actually stirring up a lot of effective trouble before the post OK City crackdown. How many think the 93 brady and 94 AWB were reactions to Waco and Ruby Ridge and the related right wing anarcho-libertarian activism? In the sense that the Democrats got kicked out of power, it was a huge misstep they were provoked into, dont you think?
     
  23. jefnvk

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    Examples, please? I play plenty of video games. Never have I seen where I could crush a rebellion of the American people. Vietnamese, Japanese, Germans, Iraqis, Russians, Chinese, sure, but never American militiamen.
     
  24. joab

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    Then we should have woke up many, many years ago. Anybody here remember the 60's?
     
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    I remember that SWAT3 had a raid on white supremacists or a milita, but that game was years ago, and the overriding theme of the game was just interesting LE tactical situations. It was just one of many missions.
     
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