Pellet rifle suggestion for squirrel control

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Still researching, but I've put the Benjamin Jim Shockey Steel Eagle NP2 on my short list.

Has the 2nd generation piston, rated as one of the quietest, gets good reviews @ Pyramid Air, and I think I'd prefer more of a conventional stock vs. pistol grip / thumbhole, etc. for a "working gun".

Of course, all air gun reviews seem to be hit or miss - I wonder about the quality of all of 'em (without getting ridiculously pricey)!?
 
It is very easy to get a lemon springer air rifle. That's why the credible sellers have 30 day exchange periods. NEVER buy an air rifle from someone that does not offer a 30 day, no questions asked, return period. If they claim that they "will make it right" if there are any problems, then don't walk away but run.

Looking back, I would have saved myself a lot of grief and hassles if I had instead bought an RWS 34 in .22 caliber.
 
I agree that Aguila Colibri ammo would be great for this, both quieter than an airgun and safer, but good luck finding any. The Super Colibri are more plentiful, a little more power but imo much louder. Then CB are imo way louder.
Most springer airguns are made in china, which is why you get all the funky reviews since the quality is low the accuracy of each gun is a roll of the dice, maybe even fixed dice. That R1 is an outstanding gun, a Mercedes SL of break barrels. Not sure what your problem is with it but it doesn't sound normal to me, the eye relief that is. I'm guessing either the wrong type of scope, or the gun broke the scope which happens a lot because the gun literally hammers the scope with a high G shock.
The R1 should be accurate enough that you can make brain shots at 50 to maybe 100'.
If in 177 then I suggest you get H&N Crow Magnum pellets, which are hollow points that work, key word "work". Any other hollow point is a waste in that gun imo. If not hollow point, which are great for small things, then JSB 10.34 or 13.43gr, H&N Barracuda or Crosman Premier Magnum/Heavy, all of which are round nose and heavier than most at 10+grs.
Yes you can leave the gun cocked for as long as you want, but if it's not your gun then I'd say no just in case. It's tough when you borrow something, especially something expensive that's prone to accidents, like breaking scopes, getting dropped, dents/scratches from improper shooting, internal damage from say shooting it w/o a pellet, allowing the barrel to slam closed etc.
The guns are sensitive to hold and anything touching them, so no resting it on the window sill! Rest gun in your hand and your forearm on the window sill, or at least use your hand between them. Also try to hold the gun in the same position on your shoulder with the same tension and grip. Most people say to hold the gun loose, but really that's just a short and easy way to say to expalin to noobs. The truth is you should simply hold it the same way each time. Like if you have a standard natural hold for a 22LR, then use that, and sight it in with that hold, the pellet you plan on using, and the distance the offenders are at. A more detailed explanation is, unlike a firearm or other kinds of airguns, the gun moves before the pellet exits. Picture hitting a 22LR on the butt with a hammer to fire it, as long as you hold the gun and hit it the same way each time it'll likely be accurte. So if you hold said springer different, or let it rest on the sill etc, then it'll move differently and be pointed in a diff direction at the moment the pellet exits. Pita yes, but it's doable with a little practice.
That R1, which is a Weihrauch HW80, is rather expensive. Airguns Of Arizona show it ~$600? Most any gun you pay less for will suffer in quality or power. I'd consider the HW95 which is on sale for 315. It's basically a smaller version of the R1 shooting ~100fps less. It makes about 13.5 to 14ftlbs power. The R1 maybe 18-20? So you get the quality at half $ but lose that power. Still a squirrel killer imo, but that's up to you. Then add ~$100 for a scope than can survive on it.
If you want a good starter gun for cheap to try, I'd get a referb from Airgun Depot. They have stuff like a Ruger Blackhawk for ~$70. That gun is a cheap chinese copy of a Diana 34, but an excellent choice if unwilling to buy quality.
A gun like a Benjamin Regal is similar in quality but much nicer looking, nicer to shoot, has a gas spring and suppressor like the NP2, but like an NP2 or the Ruger there's no guarantee in accuracy.
If you were eyeing the NP2 (Steel Eagle) then I'd seriously consider the Benjamin Phoenix instead. Same powerplant and barrel w/o the name and a couple frills for ~$70 less. If I got an NP2 I'd only get .22 since the gun works better in that.
The Hatsan 87 and 95 are certainly options. Not German quality but above chinese. They offer them in gas spring and the 87 (QE Vortex) with gas and a suppressor. Not bad for $200.
Diana has the 34 and 350, but rather expensive and lower quality than Weihrauch, but you can sometimes catch referbs on sale at Airgun Depot, which is the only way I pay for them.
If you're into it you can improve the guns by fixing the flaws, so if you have a Diana or lesser gun you can, and imo should, take it apart and work on it. Not required, just what I do, and I can explain in detail if needed. You can improve accuracy and reduce noise, specifically the coil spring guns.
Also, ignore the velocity and power claims of chinese guns like the Ruger or Crosman/Benjamin and others, they tend to stretch the truth. They typically shoot regular pellets 200-250fps less than the big number which is a good gun with light pellets.
 
I've watched a lot of British & European videos of rat and pigeon shooting, very entertaining! Especially the ones with IR night vision. Seems most of them use air rifles with a tank of compressed air, and what looks like a rotary magazine full of pellets for quick shooting. What kind of guns are those? Are they sold here? Look expensive.....
 
I would stay away from China guns.I said I bought my RWS IN 1980...WHAT'S THAT tell you,,you get what you pay for...
Go To YOU Tube, ,,THEY HAVE Lots Of Video On All S orts of air riffles.
 
I've got a Benjamin Marauder .22 and it does the deed well on squirrels and even groundhogs with the heaviest pellets. Spring rifles don't cost as much but are much, much harder to shoot accurately whereas the PCP has no kick and will drill dimes at 40 yds all day long. It's also completely silent.:) Plus has 10 shot magazine and is as fast as you can work the bolt for about three mags worth of shooting before it needs pumped up again.

You really shouldn't leave a springer cocked for long term storage for a couple of reasons...safety and the main spring will lose power over time. You can decock most springers if you're careful so better to leave a pellet in the barrel then cock when you want to shoot if you go that route.

The PCP rifle will hang on the wall for months at a time without losing any charge...which many CO2 guns can't match and I've been in the situation of needing a shot and finding the darn gun empty from sitting.:( Never with the Marauder. But they're pretty pricey...and you have to either get a pump or scuba tank to fill them so the initial outlay is pretty steep if you're just wanting to be rid of pests. But if you take it as an opportunity to expand your gun fetish then it's a great excuse to indulge yourself and get something truly deadly and fun as all getout to play with.:)
 
We've had rats stroll through and they are definitely becoming a nuisance now that the fruit trees are producing. Saw two just this evening as the sun started going down.

The Benjamin Marauder .22 looks pretty nice. Like the powder brethren, getting them outfitted adds up. A charge tank, scope and rings is nearing the $1K range. I see enough on YT with night vision attached and the evening hours is exactly when those buggers come out. (Looks fun BTW. Though luckily the rats here are not to the levels I see in the videos. At least I hope not. :eek: )

Any comparable offerings from other makers in the Marauder range?
 
We've had rats stroll through and they are definitely becoming a nuisance now that the fruit trees are producing. Saw two just this evening as the sun started going down.

The Benjamin Marauder .22 looks pretty nice. Like the powder brethren, getting them outfitted adds up. A charge tank, scope and rings is nearing the $1K range. I see enough on YT with night vision attached and the evening hours is exactly when those buggers come out. (Looks fun BTW. Though luckily the rats here are not to the levels I see in the videos. At least I hope not. :eek: )

Any comparable offerings from other makers in the Marauder range?
I nearly bought a Hatsan Pneuma a few years back; they were highly regarded.

Air Force are good, too. The Condors are pretty cool.
 
I have a Condor and it will definitely do the job. I wouldn't call it quiet, though, unless you're using a CO2 tank.

For a springer, I've had great results with my Stoeger in .22 cal. It's easy to shoot (once you either mod or replace the trigger) and is quiet and powerful.

I know lots of happy customers using the Marauder, I think it's a great recommendation.
 
Crosman 2260 CO2 rifle would be my choice. Simple and lightweight, no special way to hold it or shoot it, you can lean it against the sill if you want. Hits hard and is plenty accurate. Mine cost $85 but I think they are more now.
 
Appreciate the input, so many choices. :confused: The Hatsan AT44 looks quite nice and sends those pellets out pretty fast, the .177 version screams.

OTOH the Crosman 2260 is tempting in its own way. ;)

Oh boy...
 
Otherwise either the old school Benjamin Sheradin, which is the old pump up style. As a kid I killed an unreasonable amount of bushy tails with the .177 variety and 6 pumps of compression. It can (some say should) be left loaded and pumped up.

^^^^^^ I have this in .20 cal next to my back door 24/7^^^^^
The tree rats hate it. If they are on the ground, they are dead. If they are in a tree, they got about a 50% chance with my eyes.

I also keep a couple rat traps baited with peanut butter around, after this year as they ate all my peaches, apricots and all but 3 apples.
 
Please remember that the Diabolo style pellets do NOT like going supersonic...or even getting real close to it causes all sorts of shockwaves to generate off of the myraid of surfaces which plays hell with the accuracy.

If you can get them well supersonic and stay there to the target it won't be nearly so bad, but many that are just slightly past the Mach will be erratic shooters and slow down very quickly. Best accuracy normally happens about 900fps and below so if you get a gun with lots of power it's best to tame it down with the heaviest pellets it can deliver to 850'ish and call it good. Us powder-burner minded guys have to recalibrate a bit to use air-rifles appropriately but my .22 Marauder will smite the largest groundhog with a 25.4 grain JSB Monster at 875 when delivered to the brain housing group.:)
 
Well, for better or worse, I ordered the Benjamin Jim Shockey Steel Eagle NP2 in .22.

Reasons were:
1. Seems to get good reviews over at Pyramid Air - darn few reviews I could find other places, but the earlier model rifle I assume it was based on seems to get pretty good reviews.
2. Made in USA (maybe support will be available if needed).
3. Originally was looking at .177, but since I'm limited by staying subsonic, figured I might as well get as much punch as possible (rather have a .22 @ 950 fps than a .177 @ 950 fps).
4. Pyramid Air says this rifle is one of the most quiet (according to their rating system).

One of those darn squirrels managed to defeat my fancy bird feeding system - as I was mowing grass last night, I found my large metal mealworm cake holder in the yard - apparently he'd knocked it down, drug it off, and gorged himself on the entire $10 mealworm cake. Darn if that doesn't get expensive - modifications are in order and he'll be my first target!

BTW - I returned the Beeman R1 I borrowed the other day - couldn't see / hit squat with it, but I got a little more explanation when I returned it (wish they had gone into this much detail when I borrowed it).
1. The scope is tilted (he says all his handheld target rifles are set up this way) so you can shoot it with your head completely vertical (not the normal scrunch / head tilt we all use). Seems many competition shooters (Olympics and ?) set theirs up this way in order to be able to shoot with their head completely vertical / inline with their body).
2. The scope was a Leupold - I'm sure everthing on the rifle was top-line stuff - he's a competition benchrest shooter and those boyz seem to go to extremes!
3. If I had tried shooting with my head vertical, it may have taken care of those 2" or so I had to keep the rifle off my shoulder in order to get a good sight picture - my normal head tilt / scrunch probably put me a couple of inches closer to the rifle than if I had kept my head completely vertical.
4. He said the rifle was zeroed for 40 ft. - I was thinking it was zeroed farther than that - no doubt I was shooting way low and never came close to a squirrel, but since I was trying to fire with the buttstock a few inches off my shoulder, I was getting so much recoil I never saw where my misses were hitting.

Anywho...whenever mine arrives I'll just set it up "normally" - wish they sold it without the scope, as way too many folks say the included scope is junk. Maybe it will last long enough to get a little experience with the setup?
His Leupold had (fine) black crosshairs - I'm definitely going with an illuminated reticle if / when I replace the OEM scope.

No doubt there will be a scope in my future, although I have plenty of spare optics in the drawer - will just have to contact the makers to see if they say they're OK for air rifles.
 
Well I went thru my drawer of "spare optics", and had to do a little research to see which would stand up to the reverse recoil of an air rifle.

1. Bushnell Throw Down PCL - was told an air rifle would tear it apart (this really sucks).
2. Bushnell TRS 25 - confusion, but was told they "think" it would be OK since it doesn't have a wire reticle (wait...neither does the PCL!?).
3. Was told either Trophy Extreme or Legend HD series could handle reverse recoil.
4. When I called back to ask why the TRS 25 "probably could" handle reverse recoil and the PCL could not (after all, neither has a wire reticle), I got slightly different answers again! (don't you just love customer service!?)
3. Trijicon - was told my SRS would "take anything you throw at it".
4. EOTech - their FAQs page says it will stand up to the reverse recoil of air rifles and crossbows.

That old Trijicon SRS ought to look right at home on top of the air rifle I ordered! (Hey, if it gets the job done....).

'Bout everything I have has QR mounts, so I was hoping I could fish out a few spare optics to play with when the OEM scope goes belly up, but it seems my first choice (Throw Down PCL) is a no-go.

EDIT: Just called Nikon - he says the only thing designed for air rifles is their ProStaff Target EFR.
EDIT II: Just called Vortex - they say all their scopes can handle reverse recoil, but recommended the Diamondback 4-12x40 AO for the AO / close range capability.
 
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I've had the Trail NP2 in .22 for a few weeks. It's heavy but hard hitting and accurate considering I've only put about 50 pellets through it. The scope it came with is nothing special but I'm getting 1 1/4" groups at 30 yards with Crosman Premier pellets.
 
How far away are you shooting them?

What is your shooting position, rest, off hand, etc?

Springers and Nitro piston guns are more hold sensitive than PCP or multi pump air rifles. Another one of those "depends" questions.

Shooting a few targets will give you the answers though.

I can keep 5 in 4.125" at 100 yds with my RWS 34 but my .25 marauder will put 8 in 1.375" at the same distance and is less sensitive to the way it is held but at 25 yards my old Benjamin 342 will put 10 under an inch and at much less cost.
 
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This ballistic calculator might be of use to you: http://www.hawkeoptics.com/chairgun.html

You'll likely be able to zero at two distances with only a slight rise between them which should make range estimation unneeded and should you ever try for a longer shot you should be able to make the allowances once you see how they fly. Destroy the tree rats!!:)
 
Sighting in won't be a problem once I get MY gun and set it up for ME!
(None of this Olympic style vertical head position, tilted scope, and you get better results if you shoot barefoot as you can detect lean better than you can in shoes!) :scrutiny:

My usual sighting in ritual goes like this:
1. Around 2 am (so I don't freak out the neighbors) I use my laser boresighter at a shed 100 yards away.
2. When I get to the range, I'm always on paper with my first shots at 100 yards.
3. Fine tune the scope.

Lately I've also taken to just tossing a handful of those small round cheese balls from Walmart on the ground and shooting at them. If I'm off, I can tell by the dirt flying where the rounds are hitting and can dial in accordingly.

This is just my first foray into air rifles - a lot of stuff to learn, but for my need / range, it should be pretty simple!?

As a kid I grew up on BB guns and finally graduated to a crappy CO2 rifle...I learned quite a bit about Kentucky windage way back then.
 
if you have a .22 rifle, just get you some subsonic ammo for it.
Subsonic .22s are much louder than a pellet gun and wildly more powerful..... 40 grain bullet at 1080fps....Nuh-uh.

Yes, a .22 for hunting and pest control.
Benjamin 392 pump in .22. A heirloom in the making. $170.
Benjamin Discovery .22 PCP......excellent and comes with the PCP pump. $400. Pumping to 2000psi is no big deal. Also....there is a suppressor available for it for $40 that works.
 
Just shot the area with my laser rangefinder - 15 to 20 yards.

Lots of stuff will work at those ranges. If you have problems getting it to shoot to your expectations Google "artillery hold", will likely give you the best results with the NP/springers.

Subsonic .22s are much louder than a pellet gun and wildly more powerful..... 40 grain bullet at 1080fps....Nuh-uh.

CCI CB caps use a 29 grain bullet at 710 fps actually less powerful than most .25 air rifles. Also quieter than air rifles, actually my Discovery is dam near as loud as a regular .22 rifle.

Sure you can get "moderated" air rifles that are pretty quiet but comparing apples to apples with a suppressor on the .22 and it's still quieter.

like this example.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srXMYpYFZ8c
 
Crosman Custom Shop lets you custom design a pistol, carbine or rifle. They have the 2260 Heritage for $125. 3-6 weeks for delivery though.

You got me but I don't think having two lines of text engraved is really letting me "custom design" the rifle.
 
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