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People question guns as a motive for moving

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by natedog, Feb 11, 2004.

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  1. natedog

    natedog Member

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    I've told a few of my friends that I'm hopefully going to move out of California to avoid the bad gun climate (in addition to high property taxes, housing, gas, etc.) I've gotten many different replies, but most are in the direction of "Why in the hell would you leave hear just for GUNS?" or "Why don't you move to Alaska, then you could shoot all you want and be alone and no one will bother you". I usually respond by saying (to the golfers) "What if your state banned the posession of drivers and irons, and just allowed you putters to play golf with? Would you want to stay? I view guns in the same way- it's my favorite hobby, and I'm almost considered a fringe outlaw by it being so".
     
  2. JBP

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    All of your reasons for moving out of the PRK are the reasons I give my wife for not moving to the PRK when I retire. She lived in Southern California for 10 years and loves the weather (& so do I) but I can't justify one positive against all the negatives. We've visited retirement communities is gun friendly Florida and Arizona and will be down in Texas in April.
     
  3. Unisaw

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    natedog,

    It makes perfect sense to me. I turned down a job offer because it required relocation to NJ. Instead, I moved to Washington State which, despite the liberal reputation of Seattle, actually has very good gun laws. Now, I can't imagine what I was thinking in even considering living in NJ. Talk about a self-inflicted wound!
     
  4. Zundfolge

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    Gun laws are a very basic barometer of freedom.

    If an area has strong gun control, you can bet they have other laws designed to reduce your freedom and increase your dependency on mama government.

    So moving "for guns" isn't what you're doing ... its moving "for freedom".



    But even if you could care less about other freedoms, moving "for guns" isn't all that wierd ... I live in Colorado. Do you realise how many people move here "for skiing"? If you can't participate in the sport you love where you live, you gotta move to where you can.
     
  5. Unisaw

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    Zundfolge,

    You could not be more correct. After researching the NJ gun laws, I looked at the ordinances of the town I probably would have lived in. The town actually requires residents to get a permit to prune their shrubs! I'll be damned if I will allow government or anyone else to approve/disapprove every aspect of my life. Why would anyone in their right mind surrender that kind of power?
     
  6. 444

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    I agree with Zundfolge.
    I was once asked by a young lady how I chose political candidates to vote for. I said that I based it pretty much on their gun platform. She said that she thought this was a very narrow viewpoint. I went on to explain that their view on guns pretty much indicates their view on personal freedom, self reliance and a whole lot of other issues that were important to me. That is just my own rough gauge. There are few, if any, places that have strict gun laws that are also not nanny states.
     
  7. Hot brass

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    I am stuck:(
     
  8. Standing Wolf

    Standing Wolf Member in memoriam

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    Three of the main reasons I left the People's Republic of California a year and a half ago to return to the United States were the losses of my First, Second, and Fourth Amendment civil rights.

    My only regret is that I didn't do it years sooner than I did.
     
  9. stevelyn

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    Personal freedom and guns in particular are the reasons I chose to live in Alaska. When I retire, I'm moving to an unincorporated rural area outside the reaches of even any of the borough governments. Some place where only the SOA has jurisdiction, but has neither the resources, time or inclination to screw with me. I don't have to put up with local ordinances, zoning, property taxes, homeowners covenants or any other such garbage. And my neighbors live a fur piece down the road out of sight and sound. Oh yeah, I don't paticularly care for the road to be paved.
     
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    Gun laws were one of the primary reasons I didn't choose to live in Hawaii after being discharged from the navy. I gave it a great deal of consideration because it is a great place to live, but I was already tired of having most of my firearms being stored at my parents house and the others locked up in the base armory or on the boat. Divorced parents have better visitation rights than I did with my guns. The kicker was no machineguns.
     
  11. Abe

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    I agree with Zundfolge and 444, a government or candidates position on guns is a good rough gauge of where they are likely to come down on a whole host of other issues related to my freedom and their desire to be my nanny. :fire:

    natedog, among all the other reasons you cited to leave The PRK, guns would cap it for me as well.

    - Abe
     
  12. 7.62FullMetalJacket

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    Another one for "gun rights = freedom." When I left the PRK I received a farewell speeding ticket (moving like my a$$ was on fire). "So, where are you headed in such a hurry?" "Over yon border."

    I feel like I traversed the underground railroad herding along the EBRs which must be registered to be legal (in PRK). Now they see the light of day. And much less of a nanny state.

    In some jurisdictions you must apply for a permit to install a dishwasher. Is that a public safety issue? Not unless the city is going to repair MY water damage.
     
  13. BowStreetRunner

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    Zundfolge did get it right
    gun laws can be used as a basic level of government respect of citizens or in some cases, serfs
    BSR
     
  14. whm1974

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    If you brought the dishwasher and installed it yourself how is that jurisdictiont going to know about it?

    On another note there is some truth that less gun control a state(or city) has the more freer it is

    Bill MEadows
     
  15. 7.62FullMetalJacket

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    How about this one. I installed an evil wood fence without a permit . My neighbor did the same about one month later. He received a citation, fine, and a PERMIT. And they measured the nail line, the number of fasteners, and pretty much required a rebuild - for his safety, of course.
     
  16. HunterGatherer

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    What Zundfolge said.
     
  17. Zundfolge

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    Jeebus ... this could go to a guy's head :neener:
     
  18. Tamara

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    I look at it this way: Say you were moving to a state that had a law saying that you had to sell all your black tee-shirts before you moved there, but you could keep your brown ones. If they have a high-profile law that inane, what other legal land mines might be lurking in the state code? :uhoh:
     
  19. TarpleyG

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    natedog,

    That has to be one of the best examples I have ever heard. I'll have to remember that one.


    Tamara,

    I like your example as well...

    GT
     
  20. Brian Dale

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    Thanks, natedog; good analogy.

    whm1974 — It isn't dishwashers where I live, but they monitor water usage in municipalities near me. IIRC, in the city of Raleigh, the town of Cary and the Democratic Socialist People's Republics of Chapel Hill and Carrboro, NC, they've talked about issuing tickets to people during summer water restrictions, alleging that people "must have been" watering lawns based on water flow through their meters, patterns of water usage in previous years and the "average" usage for households in the area. The "busybody quotient" gets pretty high around here, sometimes.

    Right now, it's February 12th. The early morning sleet has turned to rain outside, it was in the 50s yesterday and it's supposed to be warmer again tomorrow. I just checked the weather where many of my relatives live: 9 degrees F, 12 degrees F; the 34 degrees F that I've got here is a lot better for me. I can handle shoveling snow once a year; more than that gets tedious. I love the smell of blooming flowers smacking me in the face as I drive along the country roads around here on spring evenings. Still, the "busybody quotient" here (and the ability to visit family more easily) has/have me thinking of moving back out west.

    Hey, Zundfolge — when you're right, you're right.
     
  21. Langenator

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    I grew up in California-lived there for 22 years, until I graduated college and the Army sent me to Germany by way of Ft Benning. When I left California, I was pretty sure I'd never go back, simply because I couldn't afford to. It's just to damn expensive to live there.

    Since then, I've become totally certain that I will never return there, at least on a permenent basis (my parents still live there, so I visit occasionally.) The reasons keep piling up. The high cost of housing and just about everything else. The high taxes. The fact that seemingly every conceivable human activity is controlled by a group of wacko tree huggers who want us all to live in wigwams in the forest and be at the total mercy of Mother Nature. Because of the total sacrifice of personal property rights in the name of The Greater Good. And the main beam in my big House of Greivances with my native state is the complete lack of respect for the Second Amendment.

    I'll go back to see the Giants play (why does the most beautiful park in baseball have to be in the cesspool that is SF?), and to visit my family on holidays. But that's it.
     
  22. armoredman

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    This is why I love living in AZ - lots of room for good gun people!:D
     
  23. geekWithA.45

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    I am literally in the process of bailing NJ...

    We found the house, won the bidding war, and I'm filling in the mortgage papers about a foot away.

    We don't get into it with the sheeple, they're beyond hope. We just tell them we need a bigger house, and are sick of the taxes, corruption, and over regulation, and they all seem to understand.

    The gunnies on the other hand are entirely sympathetic, except for a few "stand and fight" types.

    As others have mentioned, gun rights aren't a "narrow concern", they are a broad one. They are a tripwire issue that are a decent litmus test as to where the locals have staked the borders of freedom.

    If you're only "free" to do safe, innocuous, innoffensive, lowest common denominator things, you're not free. You're decieved.
     
  24. 7.62FullMetalJacket

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    Geek,

    I hope you do not lose all that fire after the move :D

    Freedom and liberty have a way of calming the beast :)
     
  25. TallPine

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    The problem is that if you actually tried to do that in most places, you would be in trouble with any number of laws, such as sewer code violations, child abuse (no TV and running water), and probably not having a permit to drive on and off the main road from/to your property.

    It's amazing to me how many people say they have moved from California to Colorado for the freedom, and I moved from Colorado to Montana for the same reason. It seems to me you can't hardly breathe without a permit down there anymore, even in rural or mountain areas. ("Want to build a shed...? First you must supply a comprehensive 30-year plan of every structure that you want to put on your land. Anything not on the plan will not be permitted in the future.") That is actually the policy now in the western slope county that I moved from.

    Up here you can buy 20 acres, live in a tent and use an outhouse if you want.

    And if I want to build a barn or a garage, I just go get the materials and do it.
     
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