TurtlePhish
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People you refuse to take shooting with you.
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Shadow 7D
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he's on a roll
there are people I simply WON'T go to the range with, either because I lack the perspective and patience to teach them, or they are simply UNSAFE, or are a person whom I don't believe needs to shoot, I love my mom, but there's no way I'd ever give her a gun or take her shooting, and there's a very long history to back that decision up.
chevyman097
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Turtle, I "infer" that from the obvious title of the thread. "people you REFUSE to take shooting" lmao. Followed by a stupid rant that could easily be corrected by slighting attempting to teach the offenders.
Certaindeaf
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The "high road" of life is not swaddled 100% with Armco. Where there is height, there is potential energy and one might fall hard. Such is life. Big whoop
TurtlePhish
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If someone new covers me with the muzzle once, I'll quickly get out of the way and correct them, explaining to them why it's dangerous and why not to do it. If they refuse to listen to what I say and do it again and again, I would refuse to take them shooting. Is that elitism? I see it as common sense and concern for the safety of myself and others.
The OP did try to teach the "offenders" and they refused to learn. You can't force someone to learn.
chevyman097
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No one in the OP covered anyone with a muzzle. You are now adding scenarios to justify your own logic.
Cluster Bomb
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there are a few people on my no range list, but its fue to them having a criminal past.
some people who are on my temp list are only there till i give them pre range instruction / demo type deal, so they can learn.
some people who are on my temp list are only there till i give them pre range instruction / demo type deal, so they can learn.
Shadow 7D
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everybody, we got our selves a genuine ... er... attention seeker
do the responsible thing, keep it on topic and just hit report in response to him, no need to feed the you know whats.
do the responsible thing, keep it on topic and just hit report in response to him, no need to feed the you know whats.
TurtlePhish
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It was an example I created to demonstrate a situation in which I would refuse to take someone shooting- new shooter refuses to learn, mentor stops trying to teach due to concern for safety of self and others.
chevyman097
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Exactly shadow, there is no reason to refuse to teach anyone who is uneducated in firearms. It only takes the will to want to teach those who are not as educated as some of us. Rather than posting about them behind their back on a web forum.
Complaining about ignorance is elitist. Complaining about stupidity is being frustrated with stupid people. Ignorance can be cured, stupid can't, no matter how good or bad the teacher is.
I have some people that disagree with me on certain points, but I haven't had anyone that I've dealt with yet get me to the point where I won't associate with them. However, if they insist they are correct when they are obviously doing something wrong, then I wouldn't bother. I'm right there with you - try to teach, but if they won't let you, move on. If they think they know everything they're gonna absorb nothing anyway.
I have some people that disagree with me on certain points, but I haven't had anyone that I've dealt with yet get me to the point where I won't associate with them. However, if they insist they are correct when they are obviously doing something wrong, then I wouldn't bother. I'm right there with you - try to teach, but if they won't let you, move on. If they think they know everything they're gonna absorb nothing anyway.
mljdeckard
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If I have a soldier behave in an unsafe way, they will leave the range. If I have a student behave in an unsafe way, they will be corrected, retrained, and if they re-offend, the range session is over. ANYONE can call cease-fire.
So, if we are all responsible for gun safety, why then, is it a good idea to take someone to the range when you already KNOW they are unsafe and are going to cause problems?
The nephew I am talking about is insane. Really. As in. "We the jury find you, the defendant...." This kid has a hard time distinguishing reality from fantasy. He acts out in violent ways. Some of the cousins have said he touched them inappropriately. So when his mother, my sister, (who is also bat-poop crazy,) approaches me and tells me that she would like me to teach him to shoot, I have to flatly and bluntly refuse. She asked why, and I told her that the range is not the place to sort these kinds of problems out. When my father died and we sorted his guns out, she wanted one. I told her that I could not advise my mother to let her have one, because her household is unsafe, she has nowhere to secure it, and frankly I'm not going to be the one who put a gun within that kid's reach.
You know what? She was just as offended as you are. And I flat don't care. About EITHER of you being offended. I wouldn't feel any better about putting a gun in that kid's hands than I would about giving a drunk my car keys or letting Michael Jackson take my kids for a sleepover. If you are a person with minimal reasoning skills, you don't add a deadly device to an unsafe and unstable personality. I am not going to have the local news knocking on my door to have me explain why I helped him flip. Even if it means that ANYONE in here is offended because of it. You make your own call about who you want to teach. Before I train someone, I have to have some signs that they show a modicum of common sense and that I don't think they will start doing unsafe things on the range because they think it's funny.
Tell you what. YOU can come up here and teach him.
So, if we are all responsible for gun safety, why then, is it a good idea to take someone to the range when you already KNOW they are unsafe and are going to cause problems?
The nephew I am talking about is insane. Really. As in. "We the jury find you, the defendant...." This kid has a hard time distinguishing reality from fantasy. He acts out in violent ways. Some of the cousins have said he touched them inappropriately. So when his mother, my sister, (who is also bat-poop crazy,) approaches me and tells me that she would like me to teach him to shoot, I have to flatly and bluntly refuse. She asked why, and I told her that the range is not the place to sort these kinds of problems out. When my father died and we sorted his guns out, she wanted one. I told her that I could not advise my mother to let her have one, because her household is unsafe, she has nowhere to secure it, and frankly I'm not going to be the one who put a gun within that kid's reach.
You know what? She was just as offended as you are. And I flat don't care. About EITHER of you being offended. I wouldn't feel any better about putting a gun in that kid's hands than I would about giving a drunk my car keys or letting Michael Jackson take my kids for a sleepover. If you are a person with minimal reasoning skills, you don't add a deadly device to an unsafe and unstable personality. I am not going to have the local news knocking on my door to have me explain why I helped him flip. Even if it means that ANYONE in here is offended because of it. You make your own call about who you want to teach. Before I train someone, I have to have some signs that they show a modicum of common sense and that I don't think they will start doing unsafe things on the range because they think it's funny.
Tell you what. YOU can come up here and teach him.
TurtlePhish
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Can we avoid the ad hominem? This is THR.
chevyman097
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Welcome to my side of the discussion.
Cluster Bomb
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+1 for the internet....
mljdeckard
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I find it intriguing that someone complains about 'non high road' comments, and then suggests that someone in here needs mental treatment.
What was it I said that made you think I am mentally incapable?
What was it I said that made you think I am mentally incapable?
fallout mike
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I see an infraction in the short future for chevyman. Maybe even tonight?
TurtlePhish
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I sent Justin a PM about it.
fallout mike
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Turtle, imagine that. And he is actually complaining about the op not being "high road"? Wow!
wkumatt
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Deep in the heart of what Chevy is saying there is a point. It just so hidden in inflammatory rhetoric its hard to see.
I'm fortunate not to have a no go shooter in my circle, but I think some of the above would qualify.
Shame about the teenager OP. Do you think he'd let you take him out with BBs just till he gets the rules down? Seems like there might still be a chance for that one.
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I'm fortunate not to have a no go shooter in my circle, but I think some of the above would qualify.
Shame about the teenager OP. Do you think he'd let you take him out with BBs just till he gets the rules down? Seems like there might still be a chance for that one.
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Shadow 7D
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If you wouldn't trust this person in your kitchen, why would you EVER trust them with a loaded gun?
This goes for children, this goes for teen, this goes for the emotionally and mentally disturbed, when you have some one who refuses to listen,
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lets step back, if you had a person, who you were attempting to teach to drive and they refused to listen and 'Know It ALL, ALREADY' and yell it in your face, would you allow them to drive your car, let alone with you in it?
see, and how is that ANY different, this attitude is the problem, whether it's a kid who refuses to put down the smart phone while driving or some fool uttering the 'Rednecks Last Words' on the range, I find the attitude impossible to teach, after all, there is no room for NEW knowledge, the are so plum full of what they already know.
This goes for children, this goes for teen, this goes for the emotionally and mentally disturbed, when you have some one who refuses to listen,
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lets step back, if you had a person, who you were attempting to teach to drive and they refused to listen and 'Know It ALL, ALREADY' and yell it in your face, would you allow them to drive your car, let alone with you in it?
see, and how is that ANY different, this attitude is the problem, whether it's a kid who refuses to put down the smart phone while driving or some fool uttering the 'Rednecks Last Words' on the range, I find the attitude impossible to teach, after all, there is no room for NEW knowledge, the are so plum full of what they already know.
GunnerShotz
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^^^^^ This
I'm lucky enough to have a nephew right now who is Open to listening and Respects what he is hearing and Will pay attention to anything myself or his Dad point out to help direct him.
He will most certainly continue going to the range with us.
mljdeckard
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Maybe I should be fair and point out that I have a lot of rookie shooters I am teaching right now, as well as my own boys. It's only one psycho twit I am having problems with.
YankeeFlyr
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Children.
TurtlePhish
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Age or mentality?
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