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Pepper Spray--The Truth

Discussion in 'Non-Firearm Weapons' started by OC-Trainer, Dec 17, 2014.

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  1. OC-Trainer

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    Thank you for posting that, armoredman. Interesting read, for sure. If I'm not mistaken, D.C. was/is the only location in the US that technically allows minors to carry pepper spray. I think 12yo with parental consent and boy can they use it there.
     
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    You've got that right, Old Dog. I can't recall the last time I've read and article on defense sprays that wasn't littered with inaccuracies and falsehoods. The restrictions in NY are ridiculous too. .7% mc is the max allowed in that state...knuckleheads making these restrictions.
     
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    Right there with you, dirtengineer.

    Even though I no longer have any skin in the production pepper spray game (that's how I'm able to speak so freely on the matter), I'll never understand the banning of OC spray. Even though pepper spray is being used more and more in the commission of crimes, I much rather have a thief use pepper spray on me than some other caustic chemical. We need to look no further than the UK.

    There are many cases of someone using a chemical to interfere with someone's vision. At least with pepper spray, it does not cause permanent damage to the eyes. Humans have been throwing things into the eyes of another since, well...eyes. For one reason or another. We're never going to stop it. So banning OC spray just simply means people will use more dangerous substances when the need for intentional vision removal is the goal. And in this case out of Denmark, the absence of that pepper spray may very well have led to another sexual assault.

    OCT
     
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    I just wanted to take a moment and thank everyone that supported this thread; the readers, contributors, and of course the moderators - hso, John, and all the staff at THR. I'll be going dark for awhile, and although you will see me pop up here and there in other threads, this will be my last post on defense sprays here; in this thread. With that in mind, I want to just leave everyone with a couple rules of thumb:

    • Cone dispersal patterns will be the easiest to use, and will offer the most versatility on the street. Look at those offerings first. Unless...

    • Do not under any circumstances use cone pattern sprays if you or any of your family members have asthma, or any other pre-existing lung condition. Use gel or foam patterns...and practice, practice, practice.

    • As a general rule, anything with a major capsaicinoid rating above 1% will be more than enough to get the job done.

    • Avoid any and all gimmicky products. Here is an example -
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xArKnSIyMm8

    This may very well be the worst defense spray product I've every seen. Avoid this garbage, and all products like it.

    Although the names and products on the market are in a constant state of flux, human physiology remains the same. I believe that defense sprays have been mis-marketed from their inception. If you remember nothing else from this thread, remember this - They will not instantly incapacitate and individual; virtually nothing does. What they will do however, is instantly disrupt the vision or completely incapacitate the eyes/eyelids. (As long as the product makes contact with the mucosa, of course.) It could be for a fraction of a second, or up to an hour. Sometimes a fraction of a second is all you need to give yourself an edge in physical confrontation; and that could be the difference between life and death...Stay safe!

    OCT
     
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    Hey i know its been awhile since your last post. , but very informative and educational thank you i am putting together my security team and we need a good foam that is strong mc% and reliable what would you suggest also needs to be on the small fit in pocket type or little bigger then that. ... any advice will be appreciated your the guru as far as im concerned . Also wildfire is complete garbage huh?
     
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    Thank you
     
  9. OC-Trainer

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    Appreciate that, caes27.

    Provided you have access to Defense-Tech's stuff (most of it is restricted), I would go with the "blue label" foam (1.3% mc) in the MK-3 size. If you can't obtain that, go with Fox Labs "5.3." Only use foam indoors, though. It travels terribly in any kind of wind and will be near impossible to hit the target.

    Funny, this thread was archived, but with the migration it reopened. Since this thread wrapped in 2/16, I've had many, many questions via PMs and email. I'm always happy to help, so what I may do in the near future (if OK with hso and John) is start a new Q&A thread on OC spray for personalized questions/recommendations or for help with things that may not have been covered in the original thread.

    hso/John can we lock this thread, please? Thanks! To be continued...
     
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