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perfect CCW does it exist?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by bamabluesman, Aug 22, 2007.

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  1. bamabluesman

    bamabluesman Member

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    For me I haven't found it. Just wanted to see who else was seeking the same thing as me. I have looked for it and tried the closest thing I could find and just couldn't make myself like it. My perfect ccw would be a lightweight sub compact single stack 9mm in SA or DA/SA that can be carried C&L in the pocket. I settled for a Kahr as the closest thing I could find in a true sub compact pocket weapon but soon traded it in on another rifle. I have tried my friends glocks and walthers and my Kahr and just can't make myself like a striker fired pistol. Anyone else have this same quest? Unless anyone can suggest anything better I am looking into a S&W 3913. Still way too heavy and no C&L, but again its close as I can find.
     
  2. elkhuntingfool

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    I have mine. Taurus PT145. Easy to conceal. Holds 10+1. I can slip it into my pocket if needed without being 'made'. Fits me perfectly.
     
  3. DAdams

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    In a pistol, Rohrbaugh R9s.

    In a revolver S&W M&P 340.
     
  4. finalcut

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    If Kahr came in SA/DA with decocker & Safety and no issues it would be close for me.
    If Taurus PT140 was more reliable it would also be close. I realize that for many people Taurus has been good - but Taurus has also been a let down for many. I just don't like the odds, and won't gamble with my life or money.

    What I carry is HK USPc and I love it. I also have an XD sub that I like o lot.
     
  5. sm

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    Nope.

    One cannot change people, places and things - the only thing they have any control over are themselves.


    One learns correct basic fundamentals with a gun that fits them, after actually shooting a variety of guns, and even using various holsters, to make an informed CCW decision for THEM.

    At that moment, that is still not "perfect", just the best informed and tested choice.

    Then one gets sick, hurt, minor surgery...these often affect that CCW choice.
    Even if nothing happens, just time itself takes it toll.

    Folks lose weight, gain weight, ladies are pregnant for 9 months and then all of a sudden with a baby , CCW requirements change.

    Arthritis kicks in...all sorts of stuff like eyesight kicks in.

    Anatomy changes, you shrink as you get older, still just normal living means the body changes.

    Folks pay money to get a shotgun fitted, by a qualified gun fitter.
    Not uncommon in 3 years to have that same gun, fitted again.
    Same types of things occur with CCW, and any guns.


    One constant should not change, and that is having the correct basic fundamentals down pat, and the Mental Game down pat.
     
  6. Ragnar Danneskjold

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    My Taurus PT140 is at the top of my list by far.
     
  7. comeandtakeit

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    Good luck trying to find one perfect ccw. I have several ccw for several different types of situations. Make sure you have a gun for what ever circumstanes come your way.
     
  8. Gordon

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    Colt Defender Lt. weight is close....but I wonder why I don't carry it very much?
     
  9. gbran

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    I too have looked hi & low for that perfect CCW. I've cycled thru many and am still not satisfied. Some I've tried;

    Taurus titanium 7rnd 357 snubbie.... really liked this, but ammo sensitive and a little too big.

    Makarov. Not enough power, too heavy, but not bad. Still have it.

    S&W scandium 40-40PD...... too big and pretty heavy for a scandium auto.

    Glock G26... not quite small, a little bulky and too heavy.

    Kahr PM9... close, a good pocket gun, but 6+1 seems not enough. Still have it.

    Glock G26... so far, the best compromise. A little bigger than the Kahr, but 10+1.

    S&W Airweight snubbie... great for carry, but the Kahr holds more and 9mm beats .38. Still have it.

    I'm still looking for a 600 Nitro pocket gun that holds 15 rounds and kicks like a .22.
     
  10. Devonai

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    The Sig P228 comes to mind.
     
  11. CPshooter

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    It would if Glock would make a G26 with dimensions no wider than 1". Maybe even a 3" barrel. The CCW market would cease to exist. It would be so reliable (thats first and foremost), light, and concealable that it would put people like Kahr out of business. There wouldn't be another option for CCW anymore...best of all it would stop the "what's the best CCW pistol?" threads from popping up so much. haha.

    Seriously though, who wouldn't lay down 500 bucks for a 1" wide G26, assuming it was reliable??? I know I would.
     
  12. Clipper

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    Life's too short to shoot ugly pistols...No glock, no how for me! My PT-145 was dead reliable, but just too much for pocket carry. I went back to my ol' standby, my P3AT, but I have a PF-9 on deck to be my new 'always' pistol.
     
  13. Loucks

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    I know what you mean, Clipper, but think of it this way: Let's assume (God forbid) that you're forced to use your defensive pistol some day. If you're carrying a Glock, it won't bother you in the least when the cops take it and throw it into the back of the evidence locker. :D

    I agree, though, that there is no one "perfect" CCW. I think that the Colt Commander (series 70, steel, .45ACP) comes closest for me, but extra weight doesn't bother me much.
     
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    Take the size,shape, and ergonomics of a Walther P22, upgrade the quality of parts, make it a serious caliber, and you've got the perfect CCW.
     
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    Right now, I'm satisfied with my Kel-Tec PF-9 as the "perfect" summer CCW for now. It's only .88" wide, lightweight, and carries 8 rounds of +p 9mm, and mine has proven reliable. It's pretty close to your criteria, except it's a DAO with no C&L capability.
     
  16. Clipper

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    Loucks, there's no way I'm not gonna feel bad about that eventuallity, if it happens, but if it does, I'll only feel 1/2 as bad about my Kel-Tec as a glock, right?
     
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    I am currently carrying a LTC4 1/2" PARA .45 that I have had major work and parts replaced on it to make it carry ready. It is not the perfect CCW, but that just means I get to keep looking and experimenting or playing with new toys as my wife puts it. I think the holster makes up for a lot of the concealment problems. A good pancake holster can help hide a medium to even full size weapon under a light shirt.

    SLOW IS SMOOTH, SMOOTH IS FAST
     
  18. Thaddeus Jones

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    S&W 3913 is the perfect CCW pistol, IMHO of course. I'd look no further.
     
  19. Pistol Toter

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    Perfection is a Vacuum

    Perfection if attainable would be a vacuum. In that statement I define; if you ever attained perfection there would be nothing else and nothing else being empty or a vacuum. Nature abhors a vacuum. Now after expounding on such bovine fecal matter; I will say that the closest to a perfect conceal carry weapon that I have been able to find is a Ruger SP101, .357 magnum with a 2.25" barrel. The 3.06" potentially is better but only with the increase sight radius. Yes the revolver is heavy and a bit blocky for pocket carry; but the weight is almost a requirement for greater recoil of the magnum loads. It is a lifetime gun in that I suspect would be very difficult to wear out. It is as relaible as any firearm known to mankind. With a five shot capacity, the average shots fired confrontation is 3.5 rounds expended, is adaquate; and a speed strip or speed loader is not dificult to carry. The SP does need to be carried in holster due to it's weight but with the plethora of carry wear this problem is not insurmountable. It is as near to perfection, in my opinion, as reasonably possible. The same could be said for the S&W model 60. I employ the Ruger SP101 for everyday carry in a Bianchi 7L pancake style holster with a deeper concealment Bianchi S3 IWB style scabbard.
     
  20. redneckrepairs

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    No imho there is no ONE perfect ccw pistol . I have pretty much settled on Kahr (s) to meet my needs from deep cover thro every day carry . I just bought a HK p7 for dress occations and get togeathers when i want something that looks a bit more " formal " .
     
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    should be Male bovine fecal matter LOL
    S&W 442/642 in pocket or H&K P7/Tauri 605 IWB= perfection
     
  22. wnycollector

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    I'm in the perfect CCW gun is...whatever you shoot the best and is 100% reliable...camp:) For me it currently happens to be a Mak. Yes it's big and kinda heavy, but I can put 8+1 into the center of mass REAL fast and it's 100% reliable.

    During the spring I bought a 1000 round case of wolf fmj. I cleaned the pistol before and after firing the whole case over a 3 month period. ZERO problems. I then did the same thing with 500 rounds of silver bear JHP...again ZERO problems. I carry 9 rounds of silver bear JHP in my mak and dont feel under gunned.
     
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    For me, it is a combination designed for different types of carry. Somedays I have to trade off firepower for less power and better concealment.
     
  24. armoredman

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    Summertime, wintertime, anytime, my CZ PO1 is my current A-list top ranker, for everyday, ordinary activity. Now, if it's Katrina time, I may put on a long rain coat and conceal the AK, as well...
     
  25. Pistol Toter

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    I stand duly corrected.. :D
     
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