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Person-to-person gun sales

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Slater, Nov 13, 2004.

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  1. Slater

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    Do different states have restrictions on gun sales between private individuals? In the past most folks that I've known just met the other person at home (or wherever) and exchanged money for said weapon. End of transaction. This still happens at gunshows (at least in Arizona).
     
  2. BeLikeTrey

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    don't know about AZ

    South Carolina doesn't monitor at all. I called SLED and they wouldn't even reg in my name at my request. So... it remained unregistered ;) You would do well and it is adviseable to do like I do. make a note of DL #'s of both parties and serial number /type of gun with a copy for each of you. sign that it was sold, by both of you, and exactly when. this is standard CYA for me. and if you have one like I do, have your LEO buddy run the gun just in case it was stolen.
     
  3. Majic

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    I think Maryland requires you to go thru a state licensed person for a private sale.
     
  4. jefnvk

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    MI doesn't have anything for long guns. For handguns, you must still obtain the purchase permit, same as from an FFL.
     
  5. Valkman

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    Here in NV you can do an in-state Class 3 transfer without going to a gun dealer! I thought that was cool, but when I bought my Uzi we still went through a dealer to protect everyone.
     
  6. CB900F

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    Fella's;

    Around here, if I were to buy a gun from a private party & he wanted my DL#, I'd be asking him if he really wanted to sell the gun. If he insisted, I'd keep my money & buy elsewhere.

    No difference if you buy a lamp or a firearm at a garage sale. Treating the firearm differently is buying into the current politically correct way of doing things. What's so hard to understand about "Shall not be infringed"? Unless & until the law specifically addresses the issue here in Montana, I'm not willing agree with such nonsense.

    900F
     
  7. lwsimon

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    No registration, information, or complication here in AR.
     
  8. Standing Wolf

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    Where does it say all that in the Second Amendment?
     
  9. The Grand Inquisitor

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    In Illinois I believe you have to go through a FFL, and if you buy at a gun show you still have to do the waiting peroid, one day for rifles, three for handguns; which pretty much kills the sale of handguns at gunshows - who wants to buy a pistol and then wait three days and drive 3 or 4 hours to this guys house to pick it up when you can go to a gun shop and buy it for $50 more?
     
  10. Kingcreek

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    Private sales are OK in Illinois but you (the seller) are supposed to maintain a record for 10 years by photocopying the buyer's FOID and recording description and ser#. Not required to file it unless on demand of the authorities.
    IF I had guns (which I don't) that were purchased legally years ago and possessed legally today, and say those firearms had NO paper trail, I would deny any knowledge of such. But since I don't have any such assortment of undocumented firearms, all this is irrelevant.
     
  11. BozemanMT

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    Exactly. i do exactly the same thing (both when I was in Montana and now in Colorado).
     
  12. Telperion

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    Fancy that, people buying and selling personal private property without having to go through a government-mandated broker. :D
     
  13. bubbygator

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    In Florida, it's only legal between FL residents. Most people I've done business with just look at each others Driver's License.
     
  14. migoi

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    Here in Hawaii...

    For long guns, the seller needs to inform HPD that the gun was sold (within 3 days, I think) and the buyer has the usual 3 working days to go down and register his new firearm. No pretense of a safety inspection for us...it's flat out registration. This of course can only happen if the buyer has a current long gun permit to acquire (good for one year). Yep, we ask permission here to exercise a limited version of our 2nd amendment rights. All firearms registration interactions have to happen at the main HPD office which is downtown with limited parking and surrounded by traffic choked streets, the hours of the office pretty much match my working hours so I have to time my firearms purchases to coincide with school breaks or take personal time off.

    For hand guns, the deal is struck, the seller retains the firearm, the buyer trots down to HDP to fill out the paperwork for a permit to acquire (a new one for each hand gun purchase), after a wait of two weeks the buyer goes back to HPD to pick up the approved permit to acquire, the buyer and seller then meet again, the buyer gets the gun, papers are signed, the buyer then returns for the 3rd time with gun and paperwork to register the gun under the new owners name.

    For hand guns it's always a two week wait, no matter how many times you've done it, no matter what the caliber or action. This fetish for investigating the law abiding leads to some absolutely ridiculous situations.

    My father died not too long ago and one of the items I inherited was a GP100 with a 6 inch barrel. I shipped it through my favorite tabletop FFL, did the paper work, waited the 2 weeks, and when I went to pick it up my FFL had a GP100 with a 4 inch barrel (clever fellow had it laying there on the table next to mine). They looked so nice together that I decided to buy it from him. When I went down to register the one with the 6 inch barrel I filled out the paper work for the 4 inch barrel. So, the state of Hawaii spent two weeks assuring I was trustworthy enough to take possession of that firearm but felt the need to spend two more weeks checking me out to make sure I'm trustworthy enough to take possession of another firearm identical in all respects..except the barrel is 2 inches shorter.

    To their credit the cops at the firearms registration office know that the rules are ridiculous and we often have a good laugh together when situations like this arise.

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    California requires an 01 FFL to handle the transfer of any firearm, even C&R pistols (but not rifles). :barf: I'm not sure if there is a 10 day waiting period on person-to-person transfers since the gun originates from the "public," but there certainly is for out of state guns.
     
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    FTF is legal here in NC for longuns and handguns. You still have to buy a pistol permit to buy a handgun though, unless you have your CHP.

    I think NFA toys are legal for FTF sale as well, but of course the seller has to retain the toy untill the buyer gets his/her stamp.
     
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    In Utah its no different then buying a lawn mower from someone, or maybe a fishing pole.
    And if you ask for my ID I'm taking my money elsewhere.
    :cuss:
     
  18. Kamicosmos

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    MO also requires a pistol permit whenever a handgun changes hands, private or other wise. Even between family members. In Fact Technically If a husband buys a gun for his wife....that's a strawman, errr strawwife purchase. :fire:

    Even now that we have CCW...we still have to get the individual pistol purchase permit and get run through NICS. :fire:

    As far as the Second Admendment: Well, that's why we have state gov'ts. Each state has it's own version of the 2A. Part of the beauty of our country.
    If you don't like your state's interpretation...you move, in theory.
     
  19. ConcernedCitizen

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    Just curious, but what is everyone's opinion on getting a bill of sale for the purchase? I'm not talking ID or any form of registration, just a receipt that you bought or sold it legally? For instance, if for some reason the firearm was traced back to you, wouldn't it be better to have a bill of sale to show the authorities, rather than just say "I sold that years ago"?

    I personally don't feel that it's necessary, but I can see some logic to it. Opinions, anyone?
     
  20. Majic

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    IMO unless the receipt is witnessed by a 3rd person then it wouldn't be worth the paper you wrote it on.
     
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    When doing a FTF I would like to see an AZ CCW or an AZ driver's license. With only a driver's license I will try to remember to ask them if they are not a convicted felon and meet federal and Arizona requirements for posessing a firearm. I do not copy down any info, just want to be sure they have at least told me they can legally own the gun here. If they lie to me then they lie to me, but at least I asked. I think of this as doing my due dilligence, acting in a responsible manner and making an effort try to protect myself from a liability standpoint. I would not sell a handgun to an out of state resident and if others do not like my requirements they can go elsewhere.

    It may not be necessary to take these steps, but almost any righteous gun buyer is willing to comply. In fact most of those I have dealt with lately will offer the info up front. It's not a big deal to them, or to me when I purchase a firearm FTF.
     
  22. carp killer

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    Some firearms don't have serial numbers. So a receipt means nothing. You could make up anything.
     
  23. Eyeless

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    There is a 10 day waiting period for private-party-transfers in California.
     
  24. FPrice

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    In the People's Commonwealth of Massachusetts you can do a person-to-person transfer but Commonwealth law requires that you report the sale on the same form that an FFL uses to report sales. And this in the colony where the American Revolution (the fighting phase) began because the British attempted to confiscate firearms and ammunition from the colonists.
     
  25. bubbygator

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    Concerned Citizen: I personally keep my own record of all serial numbers, descriptions, cost, etc. and the DL name & number. It doesn't take much time & gives me a sense of security. If one of my prior guns is ever used in a crime, I will be able to complete one link in the ownership chain for the police. Computers are wonderful for stuff like this.
     
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