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Pet Peeve is an attempt to sugar coat a controlling personality disorder.
A mentally healthy person shouldn't get upset by someone else's pronunciation or choice of terminology.

My way or the highway isn't all that High Road

Not tolerating poor or improper grammar is "not High Road?"
I reserve the right to like or dislike anything I want, sir. Just as you do in your response above. I'm not offended that you don't like my thread, nor should I be. You were simply responding with your opinion to my opinion. I never said "my way or the highway", but rather, was just expressing my opinion of something that irritates me to no end.
I find it regretful that so-called "keepers of the flame" that might be passing on the torch to new generations of muzzleloading and history fans might be teaching them terms, definitions, and spellings that are wrong. Teach a ten year old that he's shooting a "Hawkins" rifle and what do you think he'll relay to his friends in school?
Just because "D. Boon cilled a bar" was supposedly carved into a tree trunk by a fledgling Daniel Boone, does that mean we should carry on the tradition? Personally, I think not.
However, your First Amendment rights are guaranteed by the Constitution as well as your 2A rights, so carry on.
 
Wow I am glad that we have not meet in person you would have been peeved off. As reading this black powder is the only thing I could say and not peev one off. To think my rifle used to take clips. Have a joyful day.
 
Not tolerating poor or improper grammar is "not High Road?"
I reserve the right to like or dislike anything I want, sir. Just as you do in your response above. I'm not offended that you don't like my thread, nor should I be. You were simply responding with your opinion to my opinion. I never said "my way or the highway", but rather, was just expressing my opinion of something that irritates me to no end.
I find it regretful that so-called "keepers of the flame" that might be passing on the torch to new generations of muzzleloading and history fans might be teaching them terms, definitions, and spellings that are wrong. Teach a ten year old that he's shooting a "Hawkins" rifle and what do you think he'll relay to his friends in school?
Just because "D. Boon cilled a bar" was supposedly carved into a tree trunk by a fledgling Daniel Boone, does that mean we should carry on the tradition? Personally, I think not.
However, your First Amendment rights are guaranteed by the Constitution as well as your 2A rights, so carry on.

Your irritation at alternative spellings has nothing to do with poor grammar, and YES you can dislike anything you want.
You may as well have said "my way or the highway" since you have clearly left no room for any respect of any other opinion on the spelling of Hawken.
At the time of the Hawken Brothers, alternative spelling of names was fairly common.
I understand that the Hawken Bros also went by 'Hauken' & 'Hawkin' according to Charles E. Hanson Jr. in "Hawken Rifle: Its Place in History"
It is also fairly common for folks to refer to the names of items in the possessive such a a Colt revolver being called a Colt's revolver or Ford Auto Co. being called Ford's.
Hawken, Hawkin, Hauken, and Hawkens are not necessarily poor grammar or wrong per se.
There are plenty of words that have well accepted spelling variations, Gray & Grey, Color & Colour, aluminium & aluminum for a few examples.
 
Your irritation at alternative spellings has nothing to do with poor grammar, and YES you can dislike anything you want.
You may as well have said "my way or the highway" since you have clearly left no room for any respect of any other opinion on the spelling of Hawken.
At the time of the Hawken Brothers, alternative spelling of names was fairly common.
I understand that the Hawken Bros also went by 'Hauken' & 'Hawkin' according to Charles E. Hanson Jr. in "Hawken Rifle: Its Place in History"
It is also fairly common for folks to refer to the names of items in the possessive such a a Colt revolver being called a Colt's revolver or Ford Auto Co. being called Ford's.
Hawken, Hawkin, Hauken, and Hawkens are not necessarily poor grammar or wrong per se.
There are plenty of words that have well accepted spelling variations, Gray & Grey, Color & Colour, aluminium & aluminum for a few examples.

You must be one of those that call them hawkins to get so irate over it.
 
You must be one of those that call them hawkins to get so irate over it.

I'm really not sure where you would get the idea that I'm irate over anything.
I'm just trying to help let the sun shine on Eeyore.
I'm not even in the group of folks here complaining how words are spelled or pronounced.
I'm pointing out that closed minded folks might gain a little something from questioning what they think they know.

For anyone that has their undies in a bunch over why Hawken has been spelled so many ways through all the years, just realize how blessed you must be to have had to dug down to something this small to find something to complain about.
 
Two pet peeves

1. People who believe that BP guns are inherently inaccurate, especially traditional guns. I get tired of explaining.

2. The follow up to the first statement is "round balls won't kill big game anyway. " What do you think hunters used for hundreds of years?

Personally I trace this stupidity back to the start of the inline era. Certain "gun writers" recieved favors from the early inline makers to help them promote their products.
They reprinted ad copy as know truth and a myth was born. It sold articles for them and guns for their patrons. As it does to this day.

Ironhand
 
I'm really not sure where you would get the idea that I'm irate over anything.
I'm just trying to help let the sun shine on Eeyore.
I'm not even in the group of folks here complaining how words are spelled or pronounced.
I'm pointing out that closed minded folks might gain a little something from questioning what they think they know.

For anyone that has their undies in a bunch over why Hawken has been spelled so many ways through all the years, just realize how blessed you must be to have had to dug down to something this small to find something to complain about.

It matters not how it was spelled early on. It was settled on Hawken before Jake and Sam made their first rifle. Therefore Hawken is correct.
 
Your irritation at alternative spellings has nothing to do with poor grammar, and YES you can dislike anything you want.
You may as well have said "my way or the highway" since you have clearly left no room for any respect of any other opinion on the spelling of Hawken.
At the time of the Hawken Brothers, alternative spelling of names was fairly common.
I understand that the Hawken Bros also went by 'Hauken' & 'Hawkin' according to Charles E. Hanson Jr. in "Hawken Rifle: Its Place in History"
It is also fairly common for folks to refer to the names of items in the possessive such a a Colt revolver being called a Colt's revolver or Ford Auto Co. being called Ford's.
Hawken, Hawkin, Hauken, and Hawkens are not necessarily poor grammar or wrong per se.
There are plenty of words that have well accepted spelling variations, Gray & Grey, Color & Colour, aluminium & aluminum for a few examples.
I think you misunderstand poor Eeyore. I have no qualm with alternate spellings, if they are legitimate. My own surname has most likely been Anglicized from the original...very little speculative information is known before my great grandparents came to America. To wit; I may have to dig a bit further into the Hawken brothers' history and see what sort of alt spellings they may have used. By and large, though, the widely accepted spelling in the 20th and 21st centuries as well as the latter part of the 19th has the standard spelling and pronunciation as "Hawken". Feel free to pronounce/spell it any way you wish. In a similar vein, I have seen plenty of people referring to Col. Colt's first revolver spelled as "Patterson". Although that is the correct pronunciation, the name comes from the town the factory was established in, Paterson, NJ. (pronounced the same, spelled different) Same goes for Sharps rifles being spelled Sharp's, and subsequent tales of the name coming from the use of them during the American Civil War by "sharp-shooters" (which they did) but it's common knowledge the name of the rifle came from the designer/gunmaker Christian Sharps. Another bit of "fake news" being passed along.
Grey, colour and aluminium are British spellings and pronunciations along with theatre, rumour, and others. These I would consider "legitimate" alternatives, as they appear in both British and Canadian dictionaries as such.
And now, I must take leave of this thread to check on the welfare of my companion, Pooh Bear.
Good day, sir.
 
The Italian marketing ploy of producing contra-historical revolvers and that people encourage it by actually buying them. Brass frame .44's lead the list for me. I've noticed that some others here share the sentiment.

Caveat: I wish everyone a good time, but honestly, why fall for that?

Not recognizing the difference between the adjectives "historic" and "historical". (Not to be confused with 'histrionic'. A little joke, there).
 
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The Italian marketing ploy of producing contra-historical revolvers and that people encourage it by actually buying them. Brass frame .44's lead the list for me. I've noticed that some others here share the sentiment.

Caveat: I wish everyone a good time, but honestly, why fall for that?

Not recognizing the difference between the adjectives "historic" and "historical".

A lot of people buy them because they don't know any better. Others buy them because history means nothing to them. You can add short barreled revolvers and birds head grips to that list.
 
Yea, those two are on the 'list'. As far as not knowing any better, I can have some patience with that, a little anyway. There's plenty of things I don't know any better about. But not caring about history? Oh man, that crosses my line!
 
A lot of people buy them because they don't know any better. Others buy them because history means nothing to them. You can add short barreled revolvers and birds head grips to that list.
And others may buy them because they are a little cheaper and they just want something to shoot. I care a great deal about history, but that doesn’t mean something has to be historically accurate for me to enjoy it. The majority of my C&B revolvers are stainless steal, which isn’t historically accurate.
 
Those magazine writers that write for inline muzzleloaders, most never talk about loading the thing with loose powder and actually tuning in the load for best accuracy. Its shove a 50 grain pellet down the barrel or 2 or 3 and blaze away and claim the gun is a real tack driver. That's what chaps my behind. Grrrrr.
 
And others may buy them because they are a little cheaper and they just want something to shoot. I care a great deal about history, but that doesn’t mean something has to be historically accurate for me to enjoy it. The majority of my C&B revolvers are stainless steal, which isn’t historically accurate.

Stainless steel isn’t historically accurate, but nickel plating was common for the same reason: limiting corrosion and improving aesthetics. Both methods end up looking the same, though stainless steel lasts better.
 
That reminds me of a peeve not specifically related to guns but often seen on gun boards.
A lot of posters think that they should form a plural by adding apostrophe s ('s) as in "I have a large collection of firearm's."
A very good point...and one that begs the question "Why would somebody think that?" Shouldn't they know that? And the explanation is simple; because rather than teaching the 3R's in school, they are too busy teaching "fake history", who you should be angry at, and why, and other useless tripe...and grading on a curve so everyone graduates.
 
Interesting peeves here. Mine is when someone expresses a preference in a choice of two items by saying they like one "the best". You can't have a "best" of two, only a "better". "Best" only applies when the comparison is from a selection of three or more.
Sez he who HATED English grammar in school! Don't even get me started about lack of punctuation or run-on sentences... .:rofl:
Cheers to all!
 
Interesting peeves here. Mine is when someone expresses a preference in a choice of two items by saying they like one "the best". You can't have a "best" of two, only a "better". "Best" only applies when the comparison is from a selection of three or more.
Sez he who HATED English grammar in school! Don't even get me started about lack of punctuation or run-on sentences... .:rofl:
Cheers to all!

I flunked English so my grammar and punctuation suck. Run on sentences are my specialty.
 
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