Peta protest

[KriegHund]

Seeing as many of us pro-gunners are anti-peta, and many anti-gunner are pro-peta and that the hippocrisy of such groups is always of interest, i hope this post isnt deleted.

Anyways, this was amusing. Penn and Teller BS.
http://www.wimp.com/petaprotest/

 

[CentralTexas]

Is there an ICON

with a dead horse on it?
CT

 

[Sindawe]

You mean like this?

Penn and Teller BS

Zooty! zoot zoot zoot

Well, even when I was rabid pro-PETA in the early '90s, I was never anti-gun, nor were the majority of the veg-head PETA members I hung around with in life or on the the local BBSs. Of course, those kinds of folks don't make the big headlines or media appearances. Its the foamy mouthed ranters that make good media who get the air time.

I wish PETA would confine itself to actual ethical issues on animal treatment. No torture; decent living conditions while being raised; humane slaughter methods; and providing rational arguments against the eating and wearing of animals. But then, they'd be the Humane Society (the real ones, not the PETA wannabes).

 

[shermacman]

Anyways, this was amusing. Penn and Teller BS.

Nope. Not amusing.

Bust a gut howl pee yer pants, yes!

 

[CentralTexas]

Anyone have a full transcript? I was actually very dissapointed in P&T over this show as to a casual observer it was "scandalous" but to a person in the know there was much to pick apart I don't even remember now.
CT

 

[White Horseradish]

Anyone have a full transcript? I was actually very dissapointed in P&T over this show as to a casual observer it was "scandalous" but to a person in the know there was much to pick apart I don't even remember now.
CT

Oh, like what? PETA does euthanise animals (see recent dumping scandal), does oppose pets (I have looked it up, it's in a Newkirk interview) and does support ALF. That alone is enough to justly call them hypocritical terrorist supporters.

BTW, I'm sure you know tire manufacturing uses animal fat. Somehow I doubt PETA leadersip, or even the majority of members walk everywhere.

 

[trueblue1776]

priceless, I love it when it is brought to my attention that there are people waaaaaaaaaaaaay dumber than me!

 

[slzy]

whats wrong with People Eating Tasty Animals?

 

[.45Guy]

That just made my day! Thanks for posting that link

 

[Berek]

"The Holocaust On Your Plate"??? How the *$&# can you equate animal rights to the rights of the humans slaughtered during WWII??? ARE THESE PEOPLE NUTS??? (rhetorical )

And that hypocrite with diabetes! AND ALL OF THE WOMEN WERE WEARING MAKEUP!

Oh, man... People like this can wind me up for hours. BTW, did ya catch the ending when she said fighting pro-rights groups is futile, "we'll only get stronger"? Aren't we a pro-rights group? Aren't they one of the biggest anti-gun/anti-hunting group there is? Isn't it hypocritical, then, to fight us? Should we bring this to their attention?

RANT RANT RANT!!!

I'm better now... for now...

 

[strambo]

That was great, thanks. What is sad is they did more in depth investigative reporting than any "news" program I've seen in a long time . Sure it was one sided, but it was a editorial piece.

I love how they equate the current animal situation to the Holocaust...and gas (er, "euthanize" ) animals in their own shelters at a far higher percentage than other shelters. Talk about "slavery" and 'holocaust', an animal better pick a Humane Society "death camp" over one run by PETA if they get a choice.

 

[Nimitz]

great movie

Chad

 

[Dragun]

just saw a T-shirt on another thread that said "if god didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them taste like MEAT!" i laughed so loud that my wife was giving me the "huh?" look. so i showed her the shirt. she laughed louder than me. she is a born-again and her good book tells her that animals are here (provided) to eat and wear. i forget the verse but it goes something like this, "by the blood of innocents, you shall be fed and clothed". er, something close to that. eat and wear = tastey and warm. yes, i am carniverous, just look at my fangs.

 

[Cosmoline]

LOL! A freezer for cadavers.

The history of human-animal interation goes back to the dawn of our species. The original dogs were wolves who got used to hanging around human camps and eating bits of scrap. Humans benefited from their superior hearing and noses, and dogs benefited from the human's ability to kill large amounts of game (by for example running a herd off a cliff)--more than the tribe could eat. In rough times, guess what? The humans also benefited by eating the dogs. Eating your dogs in a pinch or feeding them to other dogs was accepted practice until recent times. Nansen and the sensible Norwegian explorers did it, just as mushers did here. But in the long run the dogs genetics survived through their alliance with humans and that's all that matters. We forged similar relationships with herd animals, using them for transportation or food as needed. Along comes modern man, a product of the luxuries of the 20th century. And having never spent a day around any animals aside from a small dog or house cat, he gets insane ideas that these ancient relationships are "unethical" or "unfair." And you get idiots trying to "liberate" dogs from trucks or "free" chickens.

In the real world, chopping your dog's bits off and killing his genetics or having her womb removed is far more cruel than eating them for emergency food. Our part of the ancient pact requires us to continue their lines. And if we fail to do this, we are breaking the pact and dogs will cease to be. This is what PETA wants--the fruitcakes.

 

[Berek]

just saw a T-shirt on another thread that said "if god didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them taste like MEAT!" i laughed so loud that my wife was giving me the "huh?" look. so i showed her the shirt. she laughed louder than me. she is a born-again and her good book tells her that animals are here (provided) to eat and wear. i forget the verse but it goes something like this, "by the blood of innocents, you shall be fed and clothed". er, something close to that. eat and wear = tastey and warm. yes, i am carniverous, just look at my fangs.

Well, let's see. The Christian Bible says:

Genesis 9
God's Covenant With Noah
1 Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. 2 The fear and dread of you will fall upon all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the ground, and upon all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hands. 3 Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.

And the Koran Says:

[5.3] Forbidden to you is that which dies of itself, and blood, and flesh of swine, and that on which any other name than that of Allah has been invoked, and the strangled (animal) and that beaten to death, and that killed by a fall and that killed by being smitten with the horn, and that which wild beasts have eaten, except what you slaughter, and what is sacrificed on stones set up (for idols) and that you divide by the arrows; that is a transgression. This day have those who disbelieve despaired of your religion, so fear them not, and fear Me. This day have I perfected for you your religion and completed My favor on you and chosen for you Islam as a religion; but whoever is compelled by hunger, not inclining willfully to sin, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

Luckily, the Koran was translated, but I had a problem navigating the online Torah, otherwise I would have quoted it. I did find where the limitations were (as with the Koran above) but ...

Anyhoo... that's the best one I found yet. Genesis and all... If anyone has any others, let's get all of the various beliefs involved.

 

[CentralTexas]

Oh, like what? PETA does euthanise animals (see recent dumping scandal), does oppose pets (I have looked it up, it's in a Newkirk interview) and does support ALF. That alone is enough to justly call them hypocritical terrorist supporters.

BTW, I'm sure you know tire manufacturing uses animal fat. Somehow I doubt PETA leadersip, or even the majority of members walk everywhere.

Where is the dead horse icon? I take it you will post the same thing every PETA thread eeven though it has been explained 100 times huh?

Here let me use your sense of spin and make this about hunters fault as it seems you think every PETA member is evil
Please note this is satire/sarcasm for those on the short bus. I don't actually imply this is representative of all hunters.

1-Euthanise animals- True, it's economics baby! It's hunters fault, they say they really love animals but won't send PETA the millions it would need to house every animal they take in until adopted if ever. Same goes for 99% of shelters in America who can't afford the money needed to never kill adoptable animals.

2-Recent dumping scandal- yes 2 idiots that work for PETA= ALL PETA members are killing and dumping animals
Right up there with the study where they prove that since one male hunter beats his wife ALL hunters are wife beaters

3- Newkirk interview- please produce it, the whole thing so if it exists I can see the statement in context

4- Please show where there is documented "recent" support via interview etc. from someone in PETA's management not someone on the periphery?
Would you agree that if a person in the gun community thinks fire bombing abortion clinics with workers inside it doesn't mean everyone in the gun community does? Or is that enough to justly call them hypocritical terrorist supporters?

5-Tires, sorry can't find proof of your claim in modern manufacturing process info.

CT

 

[CentralTexas]

Well, let's see. The Christian Bible says:
And the Koran Says:
Luckily, the Koran was translated, but I had a problem navigating the online Torah, otherwise I would have quoted it. I did find where the limitations were (as with the Koran above) but ...

Anyhoo... that's the best one I found yet. Genesis and all... If anyone has any others, let's get all of the various beliefs involved.

I can safely say not everyone beleives the same even in their own religion. Every major religion seems to have folks who believe their god wants them to be vegetarians.

But speaking of almost as funny as making fun of compassionate people....

 

[CentralTexas]

whats wrong with People Eating Tasty Animals?

Besides the unecessary death of an animal and the long term effects of eating meat that results in colon cancer, prostate cancer, heart disease etc.,?
CT

 

[CentralTexas]

"The Holocaust On Your Plate"??? How the *$&# can you equate animal rights to the rights of the humans slaughtered during WWII??? ARE THESE PEOPLE NUTS??? (rhetorical )

These campaigns do what they are supposed to do, draw the media into covering PETA. THen they can reach a larger audience.
Remember Heston and the "From my cold dead hands" statement? Press where all over it, remember his statement on how many ways guns are used in a positive manner? Didn't think so....

"And that hypocrite with diabetes! "

1- Uses synthetic insulin now
2-How is surviving hypocritical? It's the year 1687 and a hard winter is approaching, you and one other family share your mountain top. You wouldn't take the last deer on a piece of property to insure your families survival through the winter knowing the other family won't make it if you let your family survive? Puhhhleeeese.

"AND ALL OF THE WOMEN WERE WEARING MAKEUP!"

You are aware not all makeup is made or tested on animals? Uh, I guess not...

Oh, man... People like this can wind me up for hours. BTW, did ya catch the ending when she said fighting pro-rights groups is futile, "we'll only get stronger"? Aren't we a pro-rights group? Aren't they one of the biggest anti-gun/anti-hunting group there is? Isn't it hypocritical, then, to fight us? Should we bring this to their attention?

RANT RANT RANT!!!

I'm better now... for now...

Well maybe the comments I inserted can get your blood pressure back up!
CT

 

[Zundfolge]

... I had a problem navigating the online Torah, otherwise I would have quoted it...

The Torah IS the Christian Old Testament (where Genesis is) so by quoting the Old Testament of the Christian Bible you've also covered the Torah



Yes those peta folk are a kooky bunch ... but I'm comforted by the fact that if the S hit the F most of them couldn't survive.

 

[Berek]

Well maybe the comments I inserted can get your blood pressure back up!
CT

Well, not exactly, however:

In her statement, she admitted that her insulin contained animal "stuff" and that her life was important to fight for the rights of other animals.

Also, there have been some press conferences with Heston that I do not agree with. Yes, I remember the "cold dead hands" and the uses of the tool speech. I do not remember any point in which he relates our pro-rights movement to any major tragedies or holocausts.

I am aware that there is synthetic make-up.

BTW, that deer would be mine and I never stated anything to indicate otherwise as, in 1687, deer and such were not as scarce as they were in say, 1901 with market hunting. So 1901 would be a different story (sarcasm)

Or maybe I would contact PETA and tell them that I'm ready to listen. And when, in a month or so, that representative was devoured, um... I mean failed to arrive, I would contact them again to send another one. Maybe a fatter one... I mean one with ... never mind. I'd eat the PETA lobbyist and think nothing of it... That would save that last deer...

 

[Berek]

The Torah IS the Christian Old Testament (where Genesis is) so by quoting the Old Testament of the Christian Bible you've also covered the Torah



Yes those peta folk are a kooky bunch ... but I'm comforted by the fact that if the S hit the F most of them couldn't survive.

Yeah... I was just hoping to have a direct translation/quote from it... I actually had a person of the Jewish faith get upset because I once quoted Old Testament Christian and nothing from the Torah. Just trying to be PC and shtuff...

 

[Cosmoline]

Besides the unecessary death of an animal and the long term effects of eating meat that results in colon cancer, prostate cancer, heart disease etc.,?
CT

If I want to eat the meat, the animal's death is necessary. Humans are not herbevores. Try eating what a cow eats and see how you feel when it hits your gut! Your real complaint lies in eating TOO MUCH PROCESSED MEAT. The long term effects of eating meat have put us at the top of the food chain.

 

[White Horseradish]

Where is the dead horse icon? I take it you will post the same thing every PETA thread eeven though it has been explained 100 times huh?

Really? I've posted this before? Funny, I do not recall that...

Here let me use your sense of spin and make this about hunters fault as it seems you think every PETA member is evil
Please note this is satire/sarcasm for those on the short bus. I don't actually imply this is representative of all hunters.

I never said every PETAn is evil. I haven't even said the organization is evil. So, are you building a strawman or did you just not understand what I said?

1-Euthanise animals- True, it's economics baby! It's hunters fault, they say they really love animals but won't send PETA the millions it would need to house every animal they take in until adopted if ever. Same goes for 99% of shelters in America who can't afford the money needed to never kill adoptable animals.

I really could not care less why they do it. I just know that when one part of PETA protests city shelters euthanising animals and another part of it euthanises animals itself, that is hypocritical.

2-Recent dumping scandal- yes 2 idiots that work for PETA= ALL PETA members are killing and dumping animals
Right up there with the study where they prove that since one male hunter beats his wife ALL hunters are wife beaters

Once again, either you do not understand what I wrote or you are purposely building a strawman. I never expressed any opinion as far as dumping. I only brought it up because the news coverage of that scandal contains proof that PETA euthanises animals. I most certainly DID NOT say that all PETAns do it.

3- Newkirk interview- please produce it, the whole thing so if it exists I can see the statement in context

I read it a while ago. I will see if I can find it.

4- Please show where there is documented "recent" support via interview etc. from someone in PETA's management not someone on the periphery?
Would you agree that if a person in the gun community thinks fire bombing abortion clinics with workers inside it doesn't mean everyone in the gun community does? Or is that enough to justly call them hypocritical terrorist supporters?

This is not a valid comparison. The gun community is not an organization with a president, a staff and a budget and an official position. Perhaps a better comparison would be to the NRA. Now, if the NRA tax return showed a contribution to the McVeigh defense fund, I would call them terrorist supporters as well. I really don't see what the date of this has to do with anything since I do not recall seeing any information on PETA radically altering in any way.

5-Tires, sorry can't find proof of your claim in modern manufacturing process info.

CT

Once again, I haven't actually looked that up in a couple of years. I'll see what I can do.


As far as insulin, even if the actual product is synthetic, it still owes its existence to research done on animals. Just think, if ALF came into existence a bit earlier, we would not have it. But the animals would be safe.

 

[Justin]

My stance on the PETA issue is well documented, and it's patently obvious that the facts pretty much show PETA to be composed of a bunch of spotlight-grubbing, cretinous hypocrites at best, and spotlight-grubbing, cretinous hypocrites who happily fund quasi-terrorist organizations at worst.

In any regard, they are irrational authoritopian luddites in the worst sense of the word.