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Petition to ATF to review Kerry FFL Transaction

Discussion in 'Legal' started by mattf7184, Oct 18, 2004.

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  1. mattf7184

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  2. crewchief

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    What the heck I signed it. #39
     
  3. Lone_Gunman

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    No, I will pass.

    First, I don't feel the government should go around harassing people, even people I dislike and even if I know that same person wouldn't mind me being harassed.

    Second, I don't really care if what he did was legal or not.

    Third, that petition is simply political masturbation, and I prefer not to mix the two.
     
  4. c_yeager

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    Personally i don't think that the ATF has any business enforcing this law. NOR do i think that what Kerry did SHOULD be illegal.

    Deciding to selectively enforce a law that you feel is injust simply because you don't like the person who violated it is the absolute height of hypocrisy.

    So, either the people who signed that petition truly believe that a person who recieves a gun as a gift should go to jail or they are hypocrits.

    Or they have just let something so trivial as politics allow them to forget their principles, hopefully temporarily.
     
  5. cracked butt

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    Nope. Won't do that.
     
  6. tyme

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    The "gift" of the shotgun was a pure photo-op. The media reported that he never took the shotgun out of state.

    Of course, that still makes him a hypocrite, but by all appearances he never broke the law.
     
  7. RavenVT100

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    I signed it. But only on principle. An online petition isn't going to have any affect on anyone or anything.
     
  8. Art Eatman

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    About the only thing besides hypocrisy that Kerry would have been guilty of was an amendment that didn't pass: "Pistol grip" ws so poorly defined in one of the amendments to the Firearm Manufacturers bill that even the common shape we're all acquainted with would probably have been interpreted as illegal. Kerry voted for that amendment.

    I read somewhere that Kerrry's mentioned owning some firearm(s); that would mean he's got a Massachusetts ownership card. I guess...State issue, though; not federal.

    Art
     
  9. halvey

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    #44.

    And this is why.
     
  10. Hkmp5sd

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    They have already announced that Kerry did not take physical possession of the shotgun and transport it back home. It is probably sitting back on a shelf in the dealer's store or stuffed in someone's closet.
     
  11. halvey

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    Why not? If he's a "hunter" wouldn't he want a nice new shotgun?
     
  12. dustind

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    I would never use this law against anyone. Even child molesters. The exception would be people who are in favor of the law and would use it against other people. I feel that way about every law or situation remotely related.

    Example: The only person I feel I could morally steal from would be a thief.
     
  13. SoCalGeek

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    #47. I hate the law, I would love to get rid of it, but since Kerry is in favor of it and would not hesitate to enforce it against others (and more), I think they should look into it.
     
  14. migoi

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    But, this...

    is ok? In DC no less. Hmmmm.... migoi

    Bush has war trophy: Saddam Hussein's pistol
    WASHINGTON (AP) — President Bush keeps in his White House offices a trophy of one his high points in the Iraq war, the pistol that Saddam Hussein held when soldiers pulled him from his underground hideaway.

    Military specialists mounted the sidearm, and soldiers who helped in the deposed Iraqi president's capture presented it to the president, the White House said Sunday. The president keeps the gun in a small study adjoining the Oval Office.

    "The president was proud of the performance and bravery of our armed forces and was honored to receive it on behalf of the troops involved in the operation," said White House spokesman Jim Morrell.

    Maj. Gen. Raymond Odierno, commander of 4th Infantry Division, said that Saddam had the loaded pistol on his lap but didn't move to use it against the Americans who surprised him in what the military described as a spider hole near his hometown, Tikrit, on Dec. 13.

    Soldiers from Odierno's division conducted the raid that ended Saddam's seven months on the run.

    Time magazine first reported the story in its edition on newsstands Monday.
     
  15. CannibalCrowley

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    At least one of the major candidates should be on trial instead of running for office. Of course this won't happen because they're both hypocrites and they believe their elite status puts them above the law.
     
  16. Henry Bowman

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    migoi - Saddam's pistol is now property of the US Government, Dept. of Defense. It is currently in the posession of its highest ranking officer, the CIC. DC's gun ban does not apply to active military on duty. When he leaves office in January 2009, it will stay behind. It is not GW's personal war trophy. Bad analogy. Move on.
     
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    Hopefully anyway.
     
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    If there were any laws broken, the details should be documented and used as an affirmative defense against any such prosecution brought by the ATF against any citizen. If Kerry is immune, so are we all.
     
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    Nope. Unless a court tries him and finds him not guilty, and an Appeals Court affirms, there is no precedent that can be used as a defense by ordinary citizens.
     
  20. migoi

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    Actually, Henry...

    it's a very apt comparison. In both cases a fuss about the situation would be/is much ado about nothing. Those that run around trying to drum up an issue like this appear weak and scared.

    Seems it would be much better to concentrate on his past voting record (or lack there of) rather than jumping around, chanting "he took a gun". Kerry's history since he was elected is enough to make even this avowed liberal and lifelong Democrat inclined to mark the other side of the ballot in this particular race.

    Does anyone really think that any investigation would result in any sanctions? Going to full alert finger pointing based on news reports of the handling of a photo op seems silly at best and desperate in these final days before the election.

    But I will be taking your advice there, Henry. Thank you. I'll be moving along and letting the chicken little-esque tenor of the petition re-claim this thread.

    see ya....

    migoi
     
  21. Rebar

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    The issue isn't about the law, it's about hypocracy. Kerry has been anti-RKBA for the 20 years he's been in the Senate, but now he's pretending to be pro 2nd amendment. By bring the issue to the forefront, it exposes him as the liar he is.
     
  22. c_yeager

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    I think that his voting record from the last 20 years should be adequate evidence of his hypocracy. Anyone that doesnt care to notice that isnt likely to care about our little petition one way or the other.
     
  23. Joe Demko

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    fap fap fap fap fap fap...
     
  24. Lone_Gunman

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    This is true, but Kerry is not the only hipocrite. If you complain about the ATF enforcing bad regulations, but then want to turn them on to Kerry, you too are guilty of hipocrisy.
     
  25. Rebar

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    If Kerry helped write and voted for the law, then I think it's fair game to hold him to that law. If it's a bad law, then he should explain why he imposed his bad law on the rest of us.
     
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