Philadelphia CCW

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  1. IlikeSA

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    I've read many dated threads and research on CCW in Philadelphia. I am looking for more current info. My permit has reciprocity with Pennsylvania.

    My family will be doing a trip to Philly this summer to do tourism. We are considering the Valley Forge park, Liberty Bell, and general downtown scene. We may also catch a play or musical. We will mainly be using mass transit and walking to get around. We WON'T be crossing the river into NJ.

    Any problems with carry in those places?

    Also, for the locals, any bad parts of downtown to avoid? Anything touristy you'd recommend?
     
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    Liberty Bell is out, or at least it was 3 years ago when I asked the Fed. Rangers on duty. The rest of your stops are legal for CCW, but keep in mind that Phila. tends to be a bit squiffy on PA gun law, and things like open-carry and visible pocket knives are frowned upon in the city. They like to do things their own way, and really aspire to join NJ. I for one, would have no big issue with re-routing the river to accommodate them.
     
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    Philly and Pittsburgh are definitely out for CCW. They are a class 1 cities. They would be considered like N.J as far as CCW.
     
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    My understanding is that they just require a permit open or concealed carry.
     
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    So a PA or reciprocity recognized carry permit doesn’t legally allow someone to carry in Philadelphia or Pittsburg?

    What is a class 1 city?
     
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    Huh? I live in Pittsburgh proper, and I can tell you that your post is bunk. I carry everywhere I go, as do many of my friends, and we’ve never had a problem. Pennsylvania has excellent carry laws, and we also have a state preemption law that doesn’t allow localities to further restrict carry laws. Philly has tried to do so, but they’re hampered by state law.

    I hear that the general attitude of Philly police towards concealed carriers isn't great, but that’s just what I hear; I don’t go to Philly ever. I work at an LGS right outside Pittsburgh that serves many LEOs who work in Pittsburgh and the surrounding areas, and I can tell you that the general LEO attitude towards concealed carriers is excellent here as far as larger American metropolitan areas are concerned.
     
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    No, you can still carry in those cities. He has absolutely no idea what he’s talking about.

    From your link above:

    “Title 18 § 6120. Limitation on the Regulation of Firearms and Ammunition.

    (a) General rule.--No county, municipality or township may in any manner regulate the lawful ownership, possession, transfer or transportation of firearms, ammunition or ammunition components when carried or transported for purposes not prohibited by the laws of this Commonwealth.”
     
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    My bad. I guess I should have researched that a little better. I was an LEO in Pa in the late 90's and up to mid 2010. I see they have had lawsuits against them.
     
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    The only difference with PHL is that a permit is required for open carry, unlike the rest of the state. Permits accepted anywhere else in the state are accepted by PHL.

    PHL is constantly being slapped by the state supreme court for attempting to implement gun control measures that they don't have the authority to make, and they otherwise systematically deploy whatever admininstrative hostilities they can get away with against armed citizens.

    Having said that, the Liberty Bell and Independence hall are federal structures and the feds are serious enough about keeping guns and knives out that they have metal detectors.

    With respect to National Parks, it's generally permitted consistent with state law, but caveat emptor:

    https://www.nps.gov/grca/learn/management/upload/Firearms-in-IMRparks2-2010.pdf
    https://www.nraila.org/articles/20160817/firearms-regulations-in-national-parks

    Finally, be careful about driving around 6th street near Franklin Square. You can actually find yourself in a lane that obliges you to cross the bridge into the Dark and Fascist State of NJ.

    That happened to me once, while festooned with what was probably 50 years in the clink's worth of armaments. I got to the left, signaled and waited until I could safely performed an illegal maneuver to join the traffic exiting the bridge. I figured if a cop objected, I would have my attorney plead necessity and choice of evils.
     
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    If you stay in areas of Philly that are tourist friendly such as Center City and the Federal landmarks during the day and early evening you will be fine. Public transit is good. Don't open carry in the city even if you have an out of state permit recognized by PA, just to save yourself potential aggravation. Concealed where it's legal fine. Make sure to check out the new American Revolution Museum.
     
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  13. Steve in PA

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    Philly is the only 1st Class City in PA.

    The only difference between Philly and the rest of the state comes down to open carry. In all other parts of PA, open carry is legal without a license to carry. Only in Philly is a license to carry required to open carry. Concealed carry is the same throughout the state, including Philly.
     
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    You’re fine with your permit and ccw. Keep it concealed and don’t go to the liberty bell with it. Everywhere else is fine. It’s a great city and a good time. Have some ice cream at Franklin fountain on 2nd and market, and go to the reading terminal for lunch. Inside any federally owned building or structure is of course off limits, but independence park is fine. Yo9gonna have a great time.
     
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    As of April 16th pa will not honor any non resident ccw permits thanks to ag Shapiro.
     
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    Are you claiming that PA no longer accepts CCW permits from any other state? I'm pretty sure that's utter nonsense, so please provide us with a citation from a credible source.
     
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    non resident permits from another state they no longer accept.
     
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    Thank you for the clarification.
     
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    1911 guy,Post 15 was indeed correct.Theohazard It was clear in my original post ,it said non resident,and yes VA was dropped and ID and Al were added but that was not the OP's concern. I would not post information on such a serious subject unless I had credible sources. So next time please ask for sources nicely instead of telling me it is utter nonsense. Shapiro is your attorney general,be sure to tell him it is "utter nonsense".
     
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    Your post was worded ambiguously. Reading without further clarification gives the impression that Pa. would not honor permits from non-residents of Pa.
     
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    No, your post wasn't clear at all, as @1911 guy pointed out also.
    Exactly. A "non-resident" of PA is someone who doesn't live in PA. So taken at face value, this strongly implies that a non-resident of PA can no longer carry in PA. Your post was ambiguous at best and misleading at worst.

    Next time please write your post clearly enough that it doesn't have an ambiguous meaning. As written, your post was indeed nonsense; it took clarification from another member for us to understand your point.
     
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    Theohazard my post CLEARLY said as of said date NON RESIDENT. Yes the state of PA will NOT accept non resident ccw permits.And yes NOT accept non resident ccw permits it cant be any clearer.Simple English not ambiguously as you state.I was correct and clear in my post.
    https://www.concealedcarry.com/reciprocity/pennsylvania-no-longer-honor-non-resident-permits-adds-idaho-enhanced-alabama/

    Any other ambiguose questions. It says exactly what I stated:thumbup: From the press release exactly what I posted.

    "In addition, Pennsylvania has ceased honoring ANY non-resident permits. So those of you who rely on non-resident permits to get reciprocity in Pennsylvania are out of luck effective immediately."

    My original post......

    As of April 16th pa will not honor any non resident ccw permits thanks to ag Shapiro.
     
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    I’m aware of what you wrote in your post, but you don’t appear to be aware of what your post actually meant in a literal sense. Do you not understand what a non-resident of a state is? It means a person who doesn’t live in that state. So a “non-resident permit” literally means a permit from someone who lives out of state. And since the state in question is PA, your post literally said that PA will no longer accept out-of-state permits.

    Yes, I now understand that you meant “out-of-state permits from people who aren’t residents of the state that issued their permit”, but that’s not what you said. You simply said “non-resident permits”, which is ambiguously worded and therefore unclear.

    I don’t recommend quoting a poorly-written article to justify your poorly-written post. Simply referring to “non-resident” permits doesn’t clarify whether it means all non-residents of PA, or simply people who have out-of-state permits from states where they don’t live. But at least someone reading that article can figure out what it means by reading the rest of the article, whereas your original post (#15) provided no context at all.
     
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