Philly Police Comm Anti CCW - transcript

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The new Philly police commissioner, Charles Ramsey, was on local talk radio this morning (am 1210). It's not a surprise that he's anti 2A given that he comes from Chicago, but it was the first time I heard him voice his opinion so clearly:

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Caller: Mr. Ramsey, do you believe that Philadelphia should be able to have its own gun laws, its own restrictions, separate from those of the state?

Ramsey: Yes, I do. An urban environment is much different than a rural environment. Philadelphia ought to be able to have different laws, greater restrictions, than the rest of the commonwealth. I'm not against guns, but I think the city has special needs. (etc....)

Host (Michael Smirkonish): "Ok, chief. Say I'm a model citizen, no record, pass the background checks, should I be allowed to carry a gun in the city?"

Ramsey: You know Michael, I'm not a proponent of concealed carry. I believe that putting a gun into a situation like a traffic accident is asking for trouble. Should people be allowed to carry a gun when they go out drinking? Law enforcement officers have had training on the proper use of force, what levels are appropriate, how to handle different situations, and so on. The average citizen doesn't have any of that training or those skills. So no, I do not think that people should be carrying guns in the city.

If there was any doubt.... Thankfully the state legislature has the final say on this issue, not this thug from Chicago. Even Rendell has been unsuccessful in getting the state constitution changed. (so far)
 
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At that point, the host should have asked him,

"Well, since you don't believe that people should be able to defend themselves, should the police be criminally and civilly liable for failing to protect individuals?"

It's funny when hypocrites turn red and sputter...
 
Law enforcement officers have had training on the proper use of force, what levels are appropriate, how to handle different situations, and so on. The average citizen doesn't have any of that training or those skills.
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The interviewer missed the obvious followup comment. "So you would have no problem with citizens carrying guns after they have had similar training".
 
+1 for Deanimator. They don't want you to have a gun and they don't want to be responsible for you.

+1 for ilbob. Not that I agree with requiring training to utilize a right, it is an interesting question.

My whole $0.02 on the issue is that people treat driving more like a right than a firearm when only one of those is actually protected. What Ramsey really wanted to say is "we want to do what DC did and ban everything".
 
Chief Ramsey, do you think law abiding citizens traverse the city unguarded and undefended like helpless easy prey for the signifigant criminal element in Philadelphia?
 
P.....U.....Chief Ramsey. Seems that LEO's are just as human as us poor unedub'cated 'civilyuns'--when 2 can get into a altercation on the side of the road and start shooting at each other...that 'We are trained and you aren't' logic is out the window and full of fecal matter.
 
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I thought that Ramsey had fixed the crime problem in DC before he arrived in Phillly, but I see now he completely fixed Chicago's crime problem first.

I'm sure if he lifts the permits of all of those law abiding Philly residents then crime will cease just like it did in Chicago and DC In other words:

NOT.
 
Hizzoner Mayor Nutter has been making noise about passing and illegally enforcing anti-gun laws in Filthydelphia, regardless of state law. Amazing logic that; let's fight crime by engaging in criminal activity ourselves.:barf:

Sheesh!
 
It's easy for the cops to support a ban that only effects civilians. Because the cops get to keep their guns, while disarming all of us, they feel a comforting boost in the level of control they have over the society at large. Lets start talking about a total ban on ALL GUNS... including cops, and watch their arses pucker like the lips of a bottom feeder.
 
Law enforcement officers have had training on the proper use of force, what levels are appropriate, how to handle different situations, and so on.
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So that must mean that no officer has ever used excessive force, or his/her weapon in an inappropriate way, right?

No officer has ever committed a crime?

Never shot an innocent person, never lost their temper, never got drunk and fired their weapon, right?

After all officers are genetic mutations from the rest of us that don't succumb to emotion and feelings, right?

What a self righteous..........never mind.

Somebody needs to send him the video of offcer I'm an expert with guns classroom AD.

These are exactly the same people the second amendment was written to protect us from.
 
Lets start talking about a total ban on ALL GUNS... including cops, and watch their arses pucker like the lips of a bottom feeder.
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That's precisely what happened in Illinois back in '96 when there was proposed Lautenberg type legislation to ban those convicted of domestic violence from owning firearms.

Everything was just peachy 'til the police union in Chicago discovered that cops weren't exempt. They quite simply lost their minds.

I remember listening to a story about this on National Public Radio. It was literally the most bizarre thing I've heard on the radio until NPR interviewed the "roving ambassador" of the Taliban just before 9/11.

They interviewed FOP officials and paid consultants. Their arguments can be summarized thusly:

1. Taking the gun from an angry, violent cop will only make him MORE angry and violent. The interviewer somehow neglected to ask why the same consideration didn't apply to any mass murderer who shoots up a shopping mall, school or MacDonalds.

2. You can't take a cop's gun away since it's his "tool of the trade". Again, the somewhat mentally slow interviewer didn't bother to ask why hitmen like Sammy "The Bull" Gravano didn't get to make the same argument with equal validity.

3. You can trust a cop who savagely batters his wife or girlfriend to responsibly carry a firearm because he'll be "closely supervised"... just apparently not closely supervised enough to prevent him from beating her brains out in the first place.

Yeah, hypocrites sure hate it when you turn a mirror on them and make them look...
 
Elitist snobby better than thou mindset by these people is absolutely infuriating...

How can these hard working, law abiding citizens of Philly even want to have the powers that be restrict them further from protecting themselves...?

This mindset is totally insane.
 
Just to make sure readers in THR didn't miss the reference.. Chief Ramsey's last job before Philly was a Chief of Police, Washington DC.

That worked out pretty well, didn't it?

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Funny. One of the reasons I got a CCW is because I have to travel in/through Phila. I guess the new commish wants to keep a fresh supply of victims avail. Living in the western suburbs and having had the opp to talk to local LE recently, I've been told the biggest crime problem is the growing numbers of Phila criminals that have started to heed Horace Greely's advice to "go west". On the list of problems that Ramsey has to deal with, LEGAL CCW has got to be at or near the bottom.
 
I've been told the biggest crime problem is the growing numbers of Phila criminals that have started to heed Horace Greely's advice to "go west".
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A similar phenomenon appears to be taking place in Chicago. With gentrification in Chicago, the people who heretofore committed crimes of violence in Chicago proper, increasingly can't afford to live there anymore. They've been migrating to the south/southwest suburbs which have been experiencing the sort of violent crime which was unheard of when I lived there in the mid '80s.
 
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