Pick 1 For Home Defense Gun

Pick 1 For Your Home Defense Only Gun

  • 9mm, 16+1 HP's

    Votes: 193 34.8%

  • .45 ACP, 8+1 HP's

    Votes: 225 40.5%

  • Other

    Votes: 137 24.7%
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Other, mine is a Glock 357sig. But some of the others are also right, it is hard to beat a shotgun with buckshot.
 
If I had to choose only one gun for HD it would be a handgun because a shotgun is quite cumbersome as a "first response" weapon to the initial bump in the night.

If I had to choose between a hi-cap 9mm and 8 round .45 of course I would choose the hi-cap 9mm because the 9mm is not far behind the .45. And with twice the firepower the highcap 9mm has much more potential stopping power. Why not have a hi-cap .45? Best of both worlds.
 
If I had to choose only one gun for HD it would be a handgun because a shotgun is quite cumbersome as a "first response" weapon to the initial bump in the night.
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These are the rationalizations I was talking about. If the “bump” in your home, your ground, is such that you believe you must respond armed, TAKE A SHOULDER WEAPON.

If I had to choose between a hi-cap 9mm and 8 round .45 of course I would choose the hi-cap 9mm because the 9mm is not far behind the .45. And with twice the firepower the highcap 9mm has much more potential stopping power. Why not have a hi-cap .45? Best of both worlds.
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Now explain to me how a shoulder weapon is to cumbersome, then you worry about fire power? You done screwed up that argument when you chose to respond with a handgun, like an amateur.

If you are on your home ground, you need to own it and know it. If you need to be armed, then have a rifle, carbine or shotgun. Take the firepower you need, not some weak cheese handgun.

No handgun has anywhere near the “stopping power” of your fighting rifles, carbines or shotguns.

This ain't the movies or TV, this is real life. Take a shoulder weapon.

Amateurs.

Go figure.

Fred
 
:neener:Robin Hood it.. go with a longbow

but seriously, shotgun is the way to go. in the LIKELYHOOD that this confrontation is taking place at night you would be better off with a "scatter" gun so it is point and shoot rather than attempting to take aim with a handgun. Not to mention the variety of rounds available for a shotgun. even the cheap birdshot would result in a dabilitating injury at close range. Not to mention the characteristic sound of a pump shotgun... I dont know about you, but in the dark, in someone elses house, that sound would be enough to send this dudes testes to each side of his Adam's apple.. :what:
 
handgun, pfft...

It's got to be a long gun or shotgun if you really want to stop the threat. Life isn't like the movies where bad guys fall instantly from a pistol round.
 
RE: Use of Birdshot for a firefight.

From the files of John Farnam:

Bird Shot?

24 Oct 07

Birdshot for defense? This is from an LEO, and one of our instructors, in WY:
"One occasionally hears the suggestion that birdshot, from a shotgun, is an effective home-defense load. The argument is that is won't penetrate excessively, that it is 'effective' at close range, ad nauseam.

I'm currently involved in a murder investigation that has convinced me, beyond all doubt, that the use of birdshot as a defense load is a poor idea indeed!

Our perpetrator, in a high state of intoxication, decided to settle an old score with the victim. After informing the victim of his intentions, he armed himself with an old, Winchester M97 and charged the tube with WW, full-power, 9-pellet, 00 buckshot. Meanwhile, the victim locked himself in his auto-repair shop, and, anticipating the confrontation, also armed himself with, of all things, another Winchester M97, but he charged his tube with low-brass, #6 birdshot. The evidence suggests that the victim didn't know much about guns in general, shotguns in particular, and virtually nothing about shotgun ammunition. He obviously thought 'ammunition is ammunition.'

The lethal confrontation took place in the repair shop, with the two combatants separated by less than two meters.

The perpetrator opened festivities by using his shotgun to blow the lock off a locked door. It took two rounds of buckshot. The lock was demolished, and the door blown open.
There was a refrigerator just inside the door, and the victim was a few feet away, on the other side. As the perpetrator advanced, the victim fired one round at him. His aim was poor, and most of the lead shot hit (and failed to penetrate) the refrigerator door. A few struck the perpetrator in the face, destroying his right eye.

The startled perpetrator pulled his head back but immediately rolled back out from behind the refrigerator and fired a single shot. All nine pellets of 00 buckshot struck the victim in the center of his torso. The victim probably suffered a fatal injury, falling where he was hit. The perpetrator then walked over to the victim, who was laying on his back, and fired a second shot into his face from only a few inches. The victim's head was blown to pieces. When we found the body, he was, long since, DRT!

Our perpetrator then walked out the shop, got in his truck, and drove nearly one hundred miles to the small, ranching community where he lived. Only when his eye injury was pointed out to him, as well as the fact that his shirt and trousers were soaked in blood (mostly his own), did he grudgingly concede that he might need medical attention. Hours later, we arrested him at the hospital where he sought aid. He is now on trial for murder and will most likely spend the rest of his life, with only one eye, in prison.
Just another local idiot who had too much liquid courage!"

Comment: When it is your intention to defend yourself successfully, particularly against evil and determined individuals, you're well advised to use a weapon and load that will end the fight quickly and decisively. And, and you better be an adequate marksman too, as you'll likely not get a second chance!

It's an age-old lesson that this victim learned the hard way. Unhappily, he didn't live long enough to put his new-found knowledge to work!

/John Farnam
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If you are planning to fight a shotgun, at least have ammunition designed for fighting on board. Per the FBI's recommendation that would be #1 Buckshot or heavier.

But it is America, you get to choose. You can choose to use effective ammunition proved to work over the years by experienced gun fighters.

OR

You can use ammunition that you THINK will do something that it wasn't designed to do, to someone who is trying to do damage to you or your loved ones.

Then after that fantasy is discussed, the same folks then argue 9mm vs 40 S&W vs 45acp and think it matters. What is wrong with this picture?

Go figure.

Fred
 
The account describing the shooting in the auto shop TOTALLY MISSES THE POINT, Birdshot may have pulled it off, if the victim had been a better shot. If only the right eye of the attacker was destroyed, the shot landed on target with only the outer edge of the pattern connecting with the assailant.

Nice try, but show me some real evidence, 2 shots center of mass, 1 shooter using birdshot and one using buckshot-who drops first? This anecdote doesn't prove anything except that the best shot wins. May he rot in prison forever.
 
The account describing the shooting in the auto shop TOTALLY MISSES THE POINT, Birdshot may have pulled it off, if the victim had been a better shot. If only the right eye of the attacker was destroyed, the shot landed on target with only the outer edge of the pattern connecting with the assailant.

Nice try, but show me some real evidence, 2 shots center of mass, 1 shooter using birdshot and one using buckshot-who drops first? This anecdote doesn't prove anything except that the best shot wins. May he rot in prison forever.
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Guess the FBI recommendation is not compelling enough.

No doubt your combat experience is such that we should all follow it.

Go figure.

Fred
 
"Tommy Gun"

Uh, that's gotta be one of the dumbest things I've ever read. What is a "Tommy Gun"? Do you mean a Thompson? Which one, I'm not sure, but I think they've made quite a few different models? For home defense, do you think you could really afford the price tag, not to mention the special licensing and the cost of feeding it? Sort of defeats the purpose of HD doesn't it? I won't even mention the legal ramifications, even with proper paperwork(oops, I just did).
 
The best home defense gun is the one that you can get hold of when one or more of "them" has entered your home or has set off your external alarm system zones. I have several firearms, three children and 4 adults living in my home. Intruders are going to run into either my Walther P99 in one end of the house, a Browning HP in another or a .38 Spl when I in my out-buildings. The only time I am armed with a Mini14 or Shotgun is when I'm returning from the range. Recently a club member has taken out an armed robber with a 454 Casual when I retured home from the shooting range, the robber was armed with a fully automatic AK-47 which failed to fire.

Pick ONE - I take my Walther P99 9mmP
 
"Tommy Gun"

Uh, that's gotta be one of the dumbest things I've ever read. What is a "Tommy Gun"? Do you mean a Thompson? Which one, I'm not sure, but I think they've made quite a few different models? For home defense, do you think you could really afford the price tag, not to mention the special licensing and the cost of feeding it? Sort of defeats the purpose of HD doesn't it? I won't even mention the legal ramifications, even with proper paperwork(oops, I just did).
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I think you are just mad about something...not my problem. If tommy gun (which is obviously the same as a chicago typewriter which is the same as a thompson, multiple names) is not an acceptable answer (even as a joke) then the best choice for home defense is a shotgun. Easy to use, just point and shoot--even if you are a little shaky because of adrenaline the buckshot will make up for it.
http://www.auto-ordnance.com/PA-1TH_t.html

WAIT! You didn't even mention what you would use. I think you are definetly just mad about something dumb.
 
Remington 870 pump or similar. Short barrel & some form of buckshot, pick you favorite, I like #1.

If you are upstairs and the bad guys downstairs, the sound of the action in the stairwell will probably be enough to send them packing.
 
20 Ga.

I forgot this is a handgun subject forum - in that case .45ACP
 
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Between the 45 and the 9, I would take the higher capacity 9MM.
Either one is good for HD, if backed up by a shotgun.
 
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