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Pick one: Colt Gold Cup, Stoeger Luger, Walther P-38, and Browning Medalist

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by AirPower, Apr 4, 2004.

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  1. AirPower

    AirPower Member

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    I have a chance to pick up one or more of the following from an estate collection, but I'm trying to place them in a priority order in case I have funds to get more than one.

    - Colt, Gold Cup, Semiauto, 45 ACP target pistol ca 1959
    - Stoeger, Luger, Semiauto, 9 x 19 mm, stainless, 6" bbl
    - Walther, P-38, Semiauto, 9 x 19 mm, Code ac40, German Army WW2
    - Browning, Medalist, Semiauto, 22 Rimfire target pistol

    What do you think of this order? The only one I'm not so certain of is the Stoeger Luger, it's not quite a classic as the rest of them. I have more modern semiauto for range time, these will be for my own collection, and be shot lightly from time to time. All the price will be based on the 2003 Blue Book, is it a fair basis for these guns? Thank you.
     
  2. Josey

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    A Colt Gold Cup? There is NO other choice.
     
  3. Walt Sherrill

    Walt Sherrill Member

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    Gold Cup.

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    The Luger may be problematic -- unless its one of the very old, first ones.

    The P-38 interesting, but nothing special -- unless collector quality.

    And the Browning a nice plinker with some collector interest.

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    Blue Book prices may be your best bet, but prices vary regionally, and that's not always reflected in the Blue Book.
     
  4. ruger357

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    Gold cup.
     
  5. Ala Dan

    Ala Dan Member in memoriam

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    Given Your Choices

    Colt Gold Cup

    Best Wishes,
    Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
     
  6. rich2u

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    You actually had the stones to come here & ask:what:

    Take the poor sod to the woodshed:neener:

    & then buy the Goldcup...
     
  7. Longbow

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    Uummh....errr...Gold Cup! and put the rest on layaway. :D
     
  8. Lobotomy Boy

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    The Gold Cup would be far preferable to the rest. A distant second would be the Browning, third the P38, and I wouldn't even consider the Luger. The Walther is right on the cusp of what I would consider a modern shooter, and the Luger is a relic. If you collect German military sidearms and the gun has historical value, fine, but as a gun...
     
  9. Majic

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    First toss out the Stoeger. It aint what it looks to be.
    First choice would be a toss up between the Colt and the Browning (I would choose the Browning even though the Colt is nice, I just have no use for adjustable sights on a 1911). The Medalist is more than a plinker. It's a real nicely made Belgium .22lr target pistol.
    The P-38 would fill the military niche if you have one, so that would be a distant 3rd for me.
     
  10. Black Majik

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    As long as you pick up the Gold Cup, that's all that matters. :D
     
  11. Sean Smith

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    Of those choices, the Colt Gold Cup National Match. Pre-Series 70 Gold Cups rocked. :cool:
     
  12. Hard Ball

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    All Colt Gold Cups are excellent pistols. Those made prior to 1970 are the best. Get the Gold Cup!
     
  13. Lobotomy Boy

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    I didn't notice that the Luger was a Stoeger. I wouldn't pay $50 for a Stoeger Luger. I'd have to think long and hard before spending $25 for one of those stank Ps of S.
     
  14. XavierBreath

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    My pick would be:
    - Stoeger, Luger
    - Walther, P-38
    - Browning, Medalist

    I's take all three directly to the gunstore and trade them for a Gold Cup and a box of ammo. Seriously, get the Gold Cup. Don't consider the rest.
     
  15. Johnny Guest

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    With most of the others - - -

    - - -I pick the Colt National Match. You must have some reason for specifying that it is circa 1959, which was the apex of Colt's fit, finish, accuracy, and all else. Some call these the "Pre-Gold Cup" pistols.

    About the only thing- - - That was during the time the NM slide was cut out on the bottom, to lighten it for function with 185 gr semi wadcutter target loads. General practice and plinking should be limited to these lighter factory target loads, or moderate handloads. I managed to crack slides on two such pistols in the course of shooting A LOT of 230 gr hard ball equivalent handloads. These pistols repaired okay, but why take chances?

    I'd have no qualms about shooting a couple of magazines of ball ammo to regulate the sights, and keeping the piece for home defense, or even carrying it in a proper holster. I just wouldn't use ANY +P ammo in it, or shoot it in IPSC competition where you wanted to shoot at major power levels. (Do they still do that??)

    Colt's began using solid bottom slides in later production, and all the 70 and 80 Series were so fitted.

    A 1959 vintage Colt NM .45 is a valuable piece in its own right. Additionally, I am a fan of .45 auto pistols in general, and older Colts in particular. Only other pistol there in which I'd be interested would be the P38. The AC40 indicates it was actually produced at the Walther plant, in 1940. This was the epitome of quality for the P38 pistol, and if in nice condition, it is a particularly valuable collector's example - - possibly twice as valuable as a typical later-wartime P38. It would be a nice investment piece if you know any collectors of (1) Walther firearms, (2) Nazi memorabilia, or (3) military handguns. Unfortunately, this is mainly a waiting game and can be very time consuming to get your money out of it. Buy low, sell high - -You know.

    The P38 was a ground breaking example of the type, but the state of the art has long passed it by, as a fighting firearm. It is almost impossible to find one that properly feeds modern hollow point ammo, and it is too valuable a collector item to modify for the purpose. Being limited to ball ammo, its utility for defense is limited. The unmodified thumb safety/decocker and wide slide make it rather clumsy for concealed carry, eve if not for wanting to keep a collector firearm in as good a shape as possible.

    The Browning .22 is a nice piece, but there are other plinkers and target pistols easily available, for a lot less money.

    We're all agreed that the Stoeger Luger is not a consideration.

    Whatever you choose, best of luck to you.
    Johnny
     
  16. Jason Demond

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    I would get the Gold Cup.
     
  17. Marshall

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    Toss the Stogee and buy the others.
     
  18. Jim K

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    Good advice from a pure shooting point of view. But a collector has different advice:

    If that AC40 P.38 is in top condition (95% or more), go for it. You can buy a Gold Cup and get change for what it is worth.

    Jim
     
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    I guess I am in the minority here, so what else is new? I am working from the position of wannabe collector.

    I am saving for a pre-44 P-38 in good shootable condition. If it were me I would consider the Walther first.

    Then the Gold Cup. I am not into collecting American guns yet. There are other 1911's I am interested in. Gold Cup isn't one of them. But based on the choices given, the Gold Cup would get a good look if the Walther didn't measure up.

    Then the Browning.

    Not interested in the Luger. Just the name Luger screams overpriced collectable. I like Lugers but I have no desire to buy one.

    This is my opinion. Your opinion may vary.

    ZM
     
  20. .45FMJoe

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    Gold Cup

    then the 38 if possible.
     
  21. StuporDave

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    Colt
    Luger
    Walther
    Browning

    But I already have a P38, so maybe:

    Colt
    Walther
    Luger
    Browning

    Either way, get the Colt
     
  22. Mark8252

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    My Choice

    I would get the Gold Cup.
     
  23. AirPower

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    Going to try to get the Colt National Match today. Thank you for the advice. When did Colt officially use "Gold Cup" name? Because this one only says National Match on it, with relatively low serial # in the 5000 range.
     
  24. Sean Smith

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    From the late 1950s the guns were officially "Gold Cup National Match" (and said so right on the cover of the owner's manual), however the guns themselves were only marked "National Match."
     
  25. Gordon

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    Get the $1000 Gold Cup, then the $350 Medalist (unless it is the deluxe medalist with fancy walnut and foreend ,then its worth $600) then the $450 Walther. That SS erzarz Luger is worth $300-to somebody.
     
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