As Safestuffer indicated, I did receive his all original boxed Remington Rand a few days ago for an inspection and report. The pistol does retain more than 99% of its original finish. All parts are original to the pistol, including the barrel, which has perfeclty matching wear patterns with the slide and receiver.That is quite a feat for a 78 year old pistol. Someone has taken really good care of the pistol over the years.
While I prefer my inspection letters not be posted online to reduce the chance of counterfeit letters being produced, I thought I'd go ahead a post some images of his pistol and box. I provided 3 General Shaver magazines in the same condition to complete his pistol and box combination.
I hope to complete the inspection report in the next few days, but wanted to go ahead and share a few images and my findings after thoroughly examining his pistol and box.
6k, or even 4-5k, is a lot for a RR. If it were my gun, I’d be really tempted to take the money and run, if the appraiser can connect me with a buyer at that price point.
I could see myself paying $6,000 for a really nice condition US&S. For a Remington Rand, no.I would, too, because frankly, if you can get $6k for this specific R-R, you could get a US&S or a nearly minty matching Colt or Ithaca or two great-condition R-Rs and still have enough left to buy another gun.
Especially when a "nice condition" US&S or Colt would be justifiably worth that much. ... Remmy-Rands were always bottom-of-the-barrel Mil 1911s.
As between the Colt 1911s of WW1 and the A1s of WW2 vintage, there's a distinct valuation difference among those who collect both.Big difference in rarity between Colt and US&S. A US&S should be worth multiples of what a Colt is worth. Colts are not especially rare.
Who told you this?.....Remmy-Rands were always bottom-of-the-barrel Mil 1911s.
Remington Rand (M1911-A1): (Return to top)
Remington Rand was awarded its first order on March 16th, 1942, for a total of 125,000 1911A1 pistols. The company had no experience building pistols at the time it was awarded the contract. Remington Rand formed a new division (Remington Rand "C" Division) to take charge of building the pistols. Remington Rand "C" Division converted a vacant plant into a modern pistol manufacturing facility. The plant was located on Dickerson street in Syracuse, N.Y and was once used for building typewriters,
Initially some manufacturing equipment was not available. This caused Remington Rand to acquire parts from other sources to complete the early pistols. They purchased barrels from High Standard, Colt, and Springfield Armory; Disconnectors from US&S; Grips safeties from Colt; and Slide stops from Colt and Springfield Armory (2,865 left over from WWI). Remington Rand "C" Division inherited much of the documentation, tooling, and machinery that originally was used by The Singer Manufacturing Co. in their Educational Order. Consequently some of the parts of the early pistols were made using Singer supplied tooling and fixtures. Careful examination of Early Remington Rand pistols will reveal striking similarities in some of the parts to Singer made parts such as the triggers and mainspring housings. The first 255 production pistols where accepted by ordinance inspectors in November of 1942.
Initial shipments appeared to perform satisfactorily, but subsequent tests performed by Ordnance Inspectors revealed serious problems with parts interchangeability. In March 1943 James Rand Jr., stopped production due to a high rate of Parts Interchangeability Test failures. Only after a change in management and a thorough review of the inspection and manufacturing operations was production finally resumed in May of 1943. Throughout production Remington Rand aggressively attempted to innovate and improve the production of 1911A1 pistols.
By March of 1945 they where building the lowest price pistol in the war effort and quality was considered second to none. By the end of the war Remington Rand had produced over 875,000 pistols, almost as many as Colt (628,808) and Ithaca (335,467) combined. Reference Charles Clawsons “Colt .45 Service pistols”.
An update to put this one to bed, and to add to the internet archives,
This gun sold the other day at auction for $5,505.
Remington Rand 1911a1 U.S. Army .45 Auto...Late Production/As New In Original Box...Mfd 1945, C&R Ok...No Reserve .45 AcpREMINGTON RAND ~ 1911A1 U.S. ARMY .45 AUTOLATE PRODUCTION/AS NEW IN ORIGINAL BOX!MFD 1945, C&R OK...NO RESERVE! NO RESERVE! Here's a great pistol! This is a lwww.gunauction.com
Ok that was a Jack the Dog auction. Somebody wanted it and it was all verified by Scott. You can do the same with yours and get an opinion if you choose to invest in what Scott has to say. Jack don't sell your run of the mill firearms...
Congratulations!That was my gun. Sorry, I edited my post to be more clear.
To answer my own OP, a Remington Rand in 99%+ condition with its original box at the time of this posting,
will sell for $5k-$6k if you put it in front of the right people with solid authentication.
As am I, I'm rather sad to say that at this point in my life I was unable to afford to keep that much cash tied up in a gun that really belongs in the hands of a serious collector who appreciates and can maintain its condition. Or at least I hope that's what the new owner decides to do. Its their gun now.Congratulations!
It was a very nice wartime gun. I'm quite attached to the two I have and I'm jonesing for a second crack at the CMP ones.