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Piers Morgan..."Your little book" aka the Constitution of the United States

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by GiorgioG, Jan 11, 2013.

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  1. Calibre44

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    What this idiot has failed to recognise is that AR15s are legal over here, albeit in 'straight-pull configuation (you need to manually pull back the slide to eject and load the next round) with no ristriction on mag size. Not as quick as a semi but still pretty quick!

    Also you can own an AR15 in .22 in semi-auto ...

    Like I said ... idiot!
     
  2. beatledog7

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    Yeah, I'm a blast. People who know me know I say what I think, and they've gotten used to that. I'm not here to please anyone.
     
  3. The_Armed_Therapist

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    For a neocon arguing for more gun control, Shapiro did a pretty good job. Morgan is a scumbag.
     
  4. herkyguy

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    Morgan is the nut. But he is a pro at debating. We have to be very careful because goons like him can steer an argument.
     
  5. M-Cameron

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    umm, no......insulting, berating, ignoring, and talking over your guests is not debating.

    he re-hashes the same facts and regurgitates the same arguments.....even after hes been proven wrong. when he doesnt like your respone, he simply asks his questions again and says them louder.....that is not debating, that's acting like a 2 year old.
     
  6. beatledog7

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    Yes, PM is a jerk. But when you go on his show and try to beat him at his own game, you lose. He's better at it.
     
  7. figment

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    Tyranny is telling me what I need. There is nothing in the Second Amendment about hunting. Its about the Government fearing its citizens not the other way around. This is what our forefathers wanted to ensure a "free state".
     
  8. goon

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    Actually, I think Shapiro did a very good job of standing up to Morgan. I thought Joshua Boston also did, but Shapiro seemed more in his element on the show (not suprisingly).
    Shapiro's point that the reason some of his ancestors are now ashes in Europe got right to the point of why semi-automatic weapons with high capacity magazines are necessary. He did a good job of noting that tyranny can sneak up on us and that we should always be prepared to resist it.
    It might have been better if he had brought up the self-defense use of military style rifles with high capacity magazines - it's very hard to murder a homeowner and rape his or her teenage daughters while he or she is actively resisting you with an AK and a couple 30 round magazines - but you can't have everything. I'm sure Shapiro had his reasons for avoiding that argument, even if we don't know what thos reasons are.
     
  9. CTGunner

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    Well I think Ben did a very nice job.
     
  10. goon

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    As for hunting, the .223 round in semi-automatic rifles such as the Mini-14 and AR-15 is popular among many of the people where I live for hunting. They kill Caribou with them. I looked at a Mini-14 the other day and the owner told me he had used it for a lot of hunting... and it showed. That rifle had a lot of wear and finish taken off the stock, and the high capacity magazine he was selling with it was also well worn and spotted with bits of corrosion.
    People can and do hunt with them, but that's beside the point.
    The reason for the Second Amendment is to resist tyranny, and now according to SCOTUS, also self-defense. I'm not complaining about that.
     
  11. sota

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    I also agree Ben did a great job.
    maybe not perfect, but I don't think anyone on the pro- side will ever get it 100% right all the time. the anger and venom from the other side can throw off even the best.
     
  12. Gottahaveone

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    Kind of reminds you of the old saying "Never argue with a fool. They will drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience." doesn't it?
     
  13. 9mmforMe

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    Piers is a master of fallacy and being specious. He will say anything to excite the passions of those who agree with him so that logic and reason are cast to the wind. I think Ben did a good job. He was well spoken, emotionally well regulated and informed. Piers also cares more about the ratings for his show and will take on any topic that generates money for his puppet masters.
     
  14. American Finn

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    When I listen to people like Piers Morgan badmouth our Constitution it angers me beyond belief. My retort to him is if he doesn't like our laws or freedoms, go back to Europe where you belong! If you think life there is so much better, please go back, we don't need you here.

    Ben made some great points, and then some I wasn't in agreement with, and that's fine. The best point that Ben brought up, in my opinion, and one that resonates with me, is the analogy of living in California and having our "porous" border and 12 million illegal immigrants in this country. You notice Piers wanted to get off that subject really quick, and how these two factors are contributing to crime and violence in this country. How many guns are illegally flowing into this country from other sources, not to mention drugs, etc.?

    The reason I feel I can say to Piers "go back to where you belong" is the fact that I am the first generation born in this great nation. My grandparents and father emigrated from war torn Finland to the U.S. for a better life. My family had to be sponsored to emigrate (my great great aunt), and were expected to be productive and assimilate into the American culture. That meant respect of our laws and beliefs, and we did. In fact, my father served this nation in Vietnam, and god bless him for his service.

    I learned from an early age to respect and love this nation because this is a great nation, and we Americans have accomplished great things.

    And PM is a huge bully...as Ben reiterated, anyone who doesn't agree wholeheartedly with his point of view is "stupid, arrogant, how dare you...blah". Pathetic reporting as usual from CNN.

    I miss the days of Edward Murrow, Charles Kuralt, Walter Cronkite, etc. At least they were subjective and accountable.
     
  15. RetiredUSNChief

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    Ben Shapiro is outstanding in that video.

    He has a well gounded understanding of the dynamics of the "debating" tactics that people like Piers Morgan use and how to defuse them. (Those were satirical quotes, in case you missed that.)

    I especially like Piers' slip when Ben drove him to answer his question about handguns and banning all guns:

    "Because I believe in respect in an American's right under the Second Amendment of the Constitution, you kindly brought in, to defend themselves with a handgun or a pistol; what I don't understand..."

    Notice his eyes as he's hunting for his reply to Ben's questions. It's very nice to see him on the defensive.

    I don't agree with everything Ben said...however, he's EXTREMELY adroit at handling people like Piers.

    It's VERY entertaining to see how Piers tries repeatedly to slide to other topics when he's getting shafted on the current one. And just as entertaining to see Ben cut him off repeatedly and slide him onto another topic that Piers isn't ready to address.

    I also love how Piers tries repeatedly to set Ben up for a smackdown, only to have Ben sidestep it. Like his discussion about Ronald Reagan...an obvious set up for "if you liked Ronald Reagan, why don't you like gun control?" Heh!

    Ahhh...it's like watching UFC!

    :):)

    The only thing I think I would have added to this would be at the end, where Piers really pushed his point...Ben missed, perhaps out of politeness, the opportunity to bring to light the origin of the United States as a country with respect to Great Britian.

    Ah, well...it was well fought and Piers did not walk away unscathed. Not a bad encounter coming from a man like Ben Shapiro, who has yet to see 30 years.


    :D:D
     
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    He's just a carnival barker. Playing the heel to get ratings. I won't waste my time.
     
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    The only "little book" I have ever heard of was the Little Red Book. A Freudian slip perhaps?
     
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    The founders of the USA kicked a massive army of British back overseas but thousands of current day Americans can't get ONE guy deported.
     
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    I just watched the video, and I agree. Nice to see Morgan get slapped around for a bit in his own back yard.
     
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    If you do, make sure it's secured so that children can't get ahold of it and hurt someone.

    You could be open for a world of hurt if some kid took that thing to school with them. Imagine the carnage that could ensue!

    :D:D
     
  23. Kiln

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    Now that I think about it this thing would go straight into the safe, along with my other assault weapons.

    I would love to see the look on people's faces when I pulled out the most expensive weapon in the safe and showed them the $3,000 "assault rock" along with the Ebay receipt.
     
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    I'm waiting for the poster of Morgan dressed in a British 18th century military uniform with his finger pointing outward:

    " I WANT YOUR GUNS "

    History repeats itself - we are NOT subjects of the King
     
  25. mf-dif

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    Shapiro did a good job of not coming through as a complete nut job which is what Piers is good at doing. Piers pounds the same questions to all his guests and then counters with emotion. You almost have to do the same to him.

    He could have done a better job of explaining the constitution and the 2nd amendment. Shapiro takes away Piers "hunting" repeated lines by saying it's purpose is to defend against a tyrannical government. But he should have strongly emphasised it for the American people having the ability to do this. By not doing so gave an opening to Piers to make it sound like it was just Shapiro fearing the government.

    He should have remind Piers how our constitution it came to be, as it was an overthrow from the American people of their tyrannical government. It's how the country came to be, if it was illegal then it could still be under British rule. Followed by the number of revolutions of the people that have happened in the last century in other countries...and if he thinks those countries citizens would have been slaughtered without guns.

    The response to the "why do you need the AR" shouldn't have been deverted to handguns. It should be that the amendment has nothing to do with the type. Which would have coaxed him into saying the AR did not exist during the writing of the amendment.

    Set up for reminding him the amendment was written at the time when the average citizen could own the same weapons as the military. The musket was the "assult" rifle of the day. Citizens then could also own cannons, mortars and explosives. And our founding fathers intended it to be this way. That the document has been around this long is proof of its working. It has deterred tyranny.
    Piers would then blow up again. Then state countries where citizens where disarmed and what happened by their governments to the people.

    Piers setup questions as to "what gun was used in aurora, sandy etc". Answer AR. Then say let's look at single perp mass murdering citizans. Ask, what type of weapon was used by Breivik to kill 77 people. Ask what did McVeigh use fot 168? Ask what weapon Cho used to kill 35. Ask what was used in Fort Hood for 13.

    These are bombs and handguns. Piers didn't you just say you support handguns? So why the fascination with the AR15 Piers? I understand it's hard to think about these when put on the spot...but you have to come in with a strategy for any battle. For Piers it's best to troll a troll.
     
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