Pietta vs. Uberti vs. Pedersoli / Remington 1858

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I have been looking at these, online, because i have no idea where to physically go and handle all 3 brands. I know that I want a "Sheriff" model. I would like to hear from you guys and gals that actually own one of them. I would like to know about fit and finish, how much "deburring & polishing you had to do to have the revolver work like it should. If you have had any issues that stopped you from shooting., etc. It appears that the Pietta's have a highly polished deep blue finish, whereas the Uberti and Pedersoli are more of a satin finish. I would like to know if that is the case in reality. To me, in one of the photos, it looked like they took the photo with the gun freshly sprayed in 3 layers of anti-corrosion oil. Oh, one last thing, I know every gun is a little different, but how bad are cap jams really? Is it a big enough problem that I should order up a set of Slix Shot or another brand of nipples, and install them before I even shoot the gun?
 
To me the Piettas grip is roomier and more comfortable behind the trigger guard.
The Pietta has a beefier frame.
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A small caution:
The sheriff's models are more difficult to load than the full length original version. It is a significant loss of leverage.
I have both original and sheriff's models, as well as Uberti and Pietta brands.
Pietta is my preference, but both are very good.
 
The guns will work out of the box. How much smoothing you do is up to you. Pietta is about as far as you can go with a repro Remington and still call it a 58. The front sight is a skyscraping eyesore but it is a necessity to get it to shoot close to POA. Original guns were sighted in at 75 yards and had very low front sights. The frame is bigger and the grips are obese. Cap jams are fewer with Remington. I use stock nipples on everything and rarely have a cap jam even with Colt's. I guess it's technique because the first time my wife shot my 51 navy it jammed up so tight I had to take it apart. That has never happened to me. FWIW original guns never came with short barrels.
 
I recently acquired a Pietta 1858 in what is called a basket case condition. also in the same "basket case" there was a Uberti Walker. mixed in with the parts for those two was parts for a 1849 pocket. unfortunately no frame for the Pocket.
the good part was the whole mess was the princely price of 20.00
turned out the Walker parts were all there. the 1858 was missing the hand and bolt/trigger spring, and also the right side grip panel.
got it all together now and am delighted with it. going to full cock, it snaps into lock up solid as it can. i have had a few BP revolvers over the last 75 years and I like the Pietta the best of them all.
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I have the Pietta Sheriff. Action is very decent out of the box. Grips don't have that disgusting Uberti Red/plastic-looking finish; appear to be oiled black walnut or similar. Oiled finish with no varnish. Note the axle pin for the cylinder won't come all the way out...hits the loading latch lever. Stock nipples work fine with Remington #10 caps. No need for Slix Shot IMHO. "Billboard Barrel" on all the Piettas. I use mine primarily with my Taylor's 6 shot conversion in .45LC (BP handloads). All parts on 2004 and up are CAM/CAD for drop-in replacements. Be aware that for many, the '58 (well, '63 to be honest) is a knuckle buster. I'm quite happy with mine.
 
hawg said:
The guns will work out of the box. How much smoothing you do is up to you. Pietta is about as far as you can go with a repro Remington and still call it a 58. The front sight is a skyscraping eyesore but it is a necessity to get it to shoot close to POA. Original guns were sighted in at 75 yards and had very low front sights. The frame is bigger and the grips are obese. Cap jams are fewer with Remington. I use stock nipples on everything and rarely have a cap jam even with Colt's. I guess it's technique because the first time my wife shot my 51 navy it jammed up so tight I had to take it apart. That has never happened to me. FWIW original guns never came with short barrels.
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Yes, I know that all of the originals had long barrels. I am sure there were a few special order guns with very long, and shorter than standard barrel lengths. but they would be especially rare. Honestly, I like the longer sighting radius of a long barrel. But a shorter barreled gun balances better in the hand. And because of that, I can shoot them better.
 
x_wrench said:
Yes, I know that all of the originals had long barrels. I am sure there were a few special order guns with very long, and shorter than standard barrel lengths. but they would be especially rare. Honestly, I like the longer sighting radius of a long barrel. But a shorter barreled gun balances better in the hand. And because of that, I can shoot them better.
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There were no special order Remingtons. They all came with 8 inch barrels.
 
The OP may or may not be able to tell anything from these videos but I have Piettas. The billboard on the barrels is the only thing I don’t like. I prefer shooting the Sheriff model and actually prefer its looks. Both work fine out of the box with stock cones with Remington #10 caps.

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Pietta Remington New Model Army sheriff blackpowder .44 first shots and target shooting 1858

First sighting in and target shooting with Pietta .44 New Model Army. Very fun! Youtube has de-funded most gun content. Please consider supporting me on Patr...
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Pietta Remington 1858 New Army .44 revolver unboxing and close-up jeffshootsstuff jeff shoots stuff

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Cap and ball vs conversion cylinders with cartridges: Which is more accurate? Jeffshootsstuff

quick evaluation of three different cap-and-ball loads compared to three different cartridge loads using .45 Colt conversion cylinders in a Pietta Remington ...
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Cap and ball revolver conversion cylinders from Taylor’s and Company Colt Remington

These conversion cylinders are based on a historically correct 19th century Remington design that allowed people to shoot cartridges in their cap and ball re...
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Odd duck here, I am VERY fond of my Uberti New Model Army, even though Hawg will call it an abomination due to it being in stainless steel. :cool: Is OK, I like it quite a bit, especially since I added a matching Howell conversion cylinder in 45 Colt, since .46 Rimfire is kinda scarce. The gun is a joy to shoot.

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It's funny that it was mentioned that the Pietta reproduction has more space behind the trigger guard, because that is exactly my beef with the Pietta 1873s - they have less room there than the Ubertis and my fat fingers can feel it. ;)
 
I will not get into the best or worst brands. I'm one of those guys that likes to shoot, smell real black and see the smoke. Hitting what I shot at is gravy on the biscuit. I love the sheriff's shorter barrel. Get extra cylinders and load them on the bench with tool. Easy and to me better than loading in gun. Even with long barrel guns. I shoot for fun. To each his own. Bless You Sir
 
x_wrench said:
I have been looking at these, online, because i have no idea where to physically go and handle all 3 brands. I know that I want a "Sheriff" model. I would like to hear from you guys and gals that actually own one of them. I would like to know about fit and finish, how much "deburring & polishing you had to do to have the revolver work like it should. If you have had any issues that stopped you from shooting., etc. It appears that the Pietta's have a highly polished deep blue finish, whereas the Uberti and Pedersoli are more of a satin finish. I would like to know if that is the case in reality. To me, in one of the photos, it looked like they took the photo with the gun freshly sprayed in 3 layers of anti-corrosion oil. Oh, one last thing, I know every gun is a little different, but how bad are cap jams really? Is it a big enough problem that I should order up a set of Slix Shot or another brand of nipples, and install them before I even shoot the gun?
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I like Uberti best because there are not any "Black Powder Only" or other such markings on the gun. The Uberti also has a very high polish blue. I've never had a cap jam on either of my Remington Revolvers. By the way, there is no such thing as an "1858". Those are 1863 New Model Army revolvers.

Don't let anyone discourage you on the 5" barrel, (or 5.5", whatever) they are much easier to wear on the belt, and when you sit down you don't get the "pogo stick" effect. :) Velocity loss is minimal and very few load them to full capacity anyways. (I do) The shorter sight radius will not effect practical accuracy.

I have found that the stainless steel cones that TOW sell really fit the #11 CCI's the best. With the Remington I don't think you will need slix shots, but nothing wrong with that if you just want them. But they are not a 'cure" for cap jamming. And again not "likely" you will have any cap-jamming with the Remington. It's more of a Colt thing.
 
I suppose the only way to make both sides happy is to call it a Remington New Model Army revolving pistol, patent of 1858. :)
Also, it DOES say "Black Powder Only" on my Uberti - drop the loading lever and look at the underside of the barrel. It's just somewhere you aren't likely to SEE it.
 
armoredman said:
I suppose the only way to make both sides happy is to call it a Remington New Model Army revolving pistol, patent of 1858. :)
Also, it DOES say "Black Powder Only" on my Uberti - drop the loading lever and look at the underside of the barrel. It's just somewhere you aren't likely to SEE it.
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Yes, truth, if you drop the loading lever the bottom of the barrel is marked. The Uberti I've had forever does have it on the side of the barrel. Not sure when they changed it. ?

The 1863 Remington was not patented in 1858. I believe (might have this a little mixed up) the patent applied to how the loading lever kept the cylinder pin in, on a Whitney revolver, or something like that. Had nothing to do with the Remington, other than the patent was probably still active in 1863. I will never be happy!!! :fire: ;)

But in other words, it's like referring to a '57 Chevy as a "1953", because the choke lever was patented on a Ford in 1953.

We are better than that!!! :rofl:
 
1KPerDay said:
I prefer shooting the Sheriff model and actually prefer its looks.
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I have that same pistol, also a Pietta. I got mine fairly recently in a trade, (traded .40S&W ammo for it) I always thought the Pietta's were kind of the bargain basement pistols, but I'm happy with mine. Can't find any fault with it. It shoots about on par with yours, I haven't shot it much. It is a good looking pistola. The lack of barrel markings still keeps me in the Uberti camp though.
 
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