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Pirates and Idiots

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Blacksmoke, Nov 20, 2008.

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  1. Blacksmoke

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    On CNN, just this afternoon, an interviewee stated that the tanker crews being hicjacked by Somali pirates are not permitted to carry firearms. Apparently, the various nations the tankers call in have laws preventing the private ownership of guns. So, the crew members are defending themselves with high pressure hoses, sonic wave emitters, barbed wire and grease. Meanwhile, the prirates are armed with AKs, RPGs, machine guns.

    The interviewee also said one reason they don't want to carry firearms on the tankers is that "we would just be like the pirates."

    Yeah, alive.

    Meanwhile, the navies of the world cannot figure out what to do with the pirates once they are captured. It seems there is a jurisdicitonal problem. In addition, no nation wants to take on responsibility for the prisoners.

    What ever happended to "The Devil's Dance" from the highest yardarm in Portsmouth harbor?

    Can the world really be led by such weenies?
     
  2. scrat

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    yep doesnt make sence. Out in open waters you can be armed. However when you go to port you are at the mercy of what ever country you are going to. You would almost need a seperate boat to store the arms when the actual ship goes to port
     
  3. Shung

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    unbeliveable...

    Im prestty sure we could hire a bunch of privateers from this board if only someone was really willing to pay for that ! Shooting people on zodiacs from a heavy stable platfrom like a tanker must be a turkey shoot (at least much easier for you than for them)..

    and the prisoners question was solved a couple hundred years ago already.. "make no prisoners" ..

    btw, i head that you can legally carry weapons in the ship if that is ok with the country which flag you are sailing under.. you just have to turn them down the to port autority you are in, the time of your stay.
     
  4. The Bushmaster

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    If I remember correctly...There is a Grey Hound bus station about 200 miles at sea. Drop them off there...
     
  5. rcmodel

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    I have read that the major players in maritime insurance, such as Lloyd's of London, etc. do not allow armed resistance if pirates want to board your ship.

    You are supposed to just give up and go with the flow, and the nice pirates will not hurt you!

    Yea! Right!

    I still think a couple of Ma-Deuces on the forecastle and a couple on the fantail would go a long way toward cutting down on rubber-boat take-overs on the high seas.

    If they can't get close enough to use an RPG, they will go somewhere else, and do something different, I betcha.

    rcmodel
     
  6. Seenterman

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    Ok well let the stupid Saudis continue to defend their 100k+ Oil tankers with hoses, and grease just dont cry next time one of them gets jacked to us.

    If we send troops to recover that big floating fortune we should get at least a 70% finders fee of the cargo.

    All American ships should totally do the two boat thing, get a little dingy to store all firearms on while we pull into foreign ports.
     
  7. Old Fuff

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    Sure can.... and we are about to become one of them. :scrutiny: :barf:
     
  8. PBinWA

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    That's why Blackwater bought a ship. They want a piece of the cargo ship defence racket.

    I think it's a good move on their part.
     
  9. JohnKSa

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    By this logic:

    • If a man has a scalpel he's just like a surgeon.
    • A man who happens to own some rope, some gloves and a knife is just like a rapist.
    • A "normally equipped" woman is just like a prostitute.
    • A person with a set of wrenches is just like a mechanic.
    • A person who's had a few and owns a car is just like a drunk driver.
    • A person with a computer is just like a hacker.
    • If you take a pirate crew's guns then they're just like a tanker crew.
    How did people get so stupid?

    More to the point, how could they have reached adulthood and not realized that they're too stupid to open their mouths in public?
     
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  10. Tyris

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    This is the degree of stupidity I would expect from England. Jolly good.

    -T
     
  11. GEM

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    I would suggest that the US Navy make no moves to protect a ship that doesn't have armed personnel. The ship should have a big Gun painted on it to announce the fact.

    Why should my tax dollars go to defend such :barf: /

    But that isn't going to happen - so just relax and let the pirates kidnap some poor schmuck from Malaysia.

    Pull our ships out.
     
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    A couple. shiiiiizzzztttt. i would put two on each side, 2 on the front corners and two in the back corners. then a pair of 5 inch cannons. Yep that should do it. heck maybe even throw in a couple of brownings 30 cal 1919A4 just to make it Fancy.
     
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    yup, saw that piece. how retarded does this sound... we're gonna drive the pirates at least 200feet away by making loud noises with this ipod-looking device that some british guy invented... genius i tell you.
     
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    Things are better than you think.

    Our press doesn't report it often, but pirate ships are sunk regularly by navies in the Indian ocean.

    It happened again yesterday. A frigate from the Indian navy challenged a pirate mother ship, the pirate ship threatened to sink the Indian frigate, a battle was joined and the pirate ship was sent to the bottom. Two inflatables escaped with a small number of occupants. An unknown number of pirates died on the mother ship when it exploded and went down.

    The story was carried internationally. http://www.agi.it/world/news/200811191002-cro-ren0014-art.html

    Navies around the world fight piracy regularly, but our press just doesn't have a clue. I guess it's not important to give us the big picture.
     
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    Here we go again.
     
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    clap clap clap ! I applaude this ! :)
     
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    Thomas Jefferson knew how to deal with Barbary Pirates: U.S. Marines. Where'd you think that line about shores of Tripoli came from? But, this is the Saudi's problem not ours so for once maybe we will let them solve their own problems. Seems to me like the Code of Hamarabi has some useful guidance on how to deal with the situation and you have to know those gents are not going to have to wait in a long line to meet their 72 virgins if their feet ever touch soil again.
     
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    I have to say that I don't really understand why this is an issue.

    When you have pirates you kill them and attack their port. The disparity in firepower, RPGs against guided missile cruisers, makes discussion of piracy just stupid.

    Blow their ships out of the water and level their port facilities inflicting maximum localized damage with the maximum localized cassualties, and you don't have any more pirates (I know, North Korea will condem us as meanies). This whole issue could be ended in about one hour. We've become such pansies it's sad.
    Mauserguy
     
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    I think a few of us ought to get together with our rifles and rent a boat. I'm sure I could find a use for a whole tanker of oil....:D
     
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    Stupidity? Hardly. Try to keep in mind who's interest Lloyd's is trying to protect; Lloyd's. Armed retaliation invites an escalation against pirates armed with RPGs. A good hit can easily sink or severely damage a ship insured by Lloyd's for tens or hundreds of millions. In most of these cases, the priates take good care of the ship and crew to get the ransom, in which case, Lloyd's likely has no liability, or at least less liability (repayment of the ransom) than the full value of the ship and cargo.

    I'm not saying its right, its just business.
     
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    The delima is that the pirate ship is just a ship until it attacks. A premature attack could sink a local fishing ship tring to trade for some new porn.

    The pirates have good business plan. Hold the property for ransom, feed the crew well collect a lot of money. If they start killing they attract a lot of attention.

    The report I heard is the current defence stragity is not to be the easiest ship to hijack.
     
  22. Shung

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    Simple.. create a killbox in that area.. Ask every merchant ship planning to cross that kill box to declare itself, and use some kind of transponder.. anyone entering the killbox without autorisation is declared hostile.. and sunk !
     
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    Sounds like a good business opportunity. Kind of like checking your guns in and out before you go to town. A floating arms rental business would make more sense.

    At least the somalia pirates seem to be taking a business like attitude and do not appear to be doing a lot of wanton murder.
     
  24. FourNineFoxtrot

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    I honestly don't understand why nobody has thought to issue some Letters of Marque yet.

    Privateers are usually the best pirate hunters. Navies are great against other navies, but jurisdictional issues and the problem of bringing their firepower to bear are always troublesome. Navies are predictable, and the bulk of their combat forces are warships, too large for effective shallow-draft and brown-water pirate hunting. Privateers, on the other hand, tend to be a lot more flexible and mobile. And if there was some manner of agreement in the international community to let sanctioned privateers cross jurisdictional boundaries, the pirates wouldn't stand a chance.

    Even more fundamentally, refusing to arm cargo ships is just the height of stupidity. Insurance premiums and the technicalities of maritime law are apparently more important than human lives these days.

    Hell, if these people were really smart, they'd put out a few Q-ships. Retrofit some freighters with some light gun mounts, maybe a 5-inch gun in case they run into something big, and a few of something like the Bofors 40mm (or whatever they use now) for use against the small boats. Conceal these under tarps or in fake cargo containers, and once the pirates show up, run out the guns. Maybe have a helicopter gunship aboard (concealed, of course), so they can chase down any fast boats that try to run.

    There has been piracy since men first built things that float. The first ship ever built was likely a trader; the second ship ever was likely built to capture the first ship. It isn't like piracy is new or difficult to understand and fight. We've just forgotten how... or rather, lost the political will and fighting spirit to bother.
     
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    For the right price, I'm available. Ten years out of the Marine Corps and I'm about ready to be shot at again.
     
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