Pirates....

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No not talking about music or video games or rides at a Disney Park...
Does anyone know much about moderm Piracy? I've read that it is common today...The Coast Guard can't be everywhere...and do they have an obligation to protect us? Seems like another good argument to have a 12 gauge etc. Something else to bring up when disscussing things with the Anti's? FeedBack PLEASE!!!
 
If you venture out of sight of land (more specifically: out of sight of American soil), you might want to take some hardware along.

Kharn
 
I love the weekly piracy report, but what is the obsession with activating the fire hoses? Is this intended as a visual signal to other ships and the pirates? Are they trying to fill up the small boats and sink 'em? Or is it just really hard to clamber up the hull of a ship when it is wet and people keep hitting you with a hose?

Also- does anybody have any information resources on small boat piracy and defense?
 
Very active in the Indonesian waters. Our Navy as well as navies of other countries have had to escort vessels in the area. One of our members posted a story (or link) about a Taiwanese ship that was rescued by a Russian one. The Russian ship kinda steamed up while the crew assembled a recoilless rifle. One rocket and the problem was solved. Lesson: Don't mess with Russian Bear.

Naval Institute Press magazine Proceedings published an article a few years back. I tend to give my copies to vets when I'm finished.
 
Wow! I guess I had no idea this type of stuff still went on. A very interesting site posted above, definitely worth a read. I assume that self defense in open waters is pretty much "shoot first, ask questions later"? Who investigates and prosecutes these cases? Is there a governing body or does it depend on where it occurs?
 
My wife does a lot of business in South East Asia; I got to tag along with her once to Bangkok, Thailand.

Had dinner with her factory supervisor and he related to me how he and some friends go sailing/fishing in the South China Sea. I asked him if he was ever worried about pirates- "Oh no- we have lots of guns and ours are much better than the pirates."

ALways struck me as funny. PREPARE TO REPEL BOARDERS!
 
Ok, someone here has to ask a stupid question, so here goes...

I have heard that a ship flying a skull and crossbones can be fired upon without provocation. The legitimacy of my source was highly suspect.

Anyone know if there is any truth at all to that?

Is it possible that a law like that could have existed at some point, and remain on the books somewhere?
 
FIREHOSES

Remember the firehoses turned on citizens in the 60's? They are waterpistols compared to what is on Sea-going vessels.
 
On another board I was on for awhile there was a Col. in the Thai army (a lady!) who IIRC did some time with the Royal Thai Navy's anti-piracy patrols.

There's absolutely no lack of work for them.

Pirates are also apparently very active around the Philippines. The Sibuyan Sea has a reputation as being one particularly active hotspot.

Also, years ago I remember an Armed Citizen in American Rifleman dealing with a boater off the Florida Keys, or perhaps in the Gulf of Mexico, having to call in the Coast Guard. By the time they got there he had used an M1 to battle them off.
 
I was reading about piracy a few weeks ago, just for the hell of it.
It seems that Indonesia has a little problem with piracy as well.
The idea with the hose is exactly that; to literally hose them down.
Some countries won't allow a ship to be armed in their waters, and some shipping companies don't allow their crews to be armed either.
The alternative is to use the firehoses.
Many of these pirates are armed only with knives anyhow. They wait for a ship to come into a choke point and slow down, then climb aboard.
There are two classes of pirates.
The first are the little guys who just want to steal any money on the ship and maybe some valuable cargo. After that class takes over the ship, they often just let the crew tied up and adrift, then leave. According to what I have read, this has led to a couple near misses with oil tankers being adrift in Asian waters. In one incident, the crew managed to free themselves and avert disaster. Had they been just a few minutes later, they wouldn't have been able to regain control of their oil tanker before it ran aground.
The second class works for organized crime. They pick ships that are carrying valuable cargo, then take the ship. They sell the cargo, then take the ship and register it under another name and under another country's flag. Then they sell the ship.
These guys don't like to let witnesses around.
Either way, I think I would want to have a FN-MAG on the bow, a couple RPG's stored in an easy to reach place, and an AKSU-74 for those guys that still managed to get on my boat.

BTW-I read somewhere that the Jolly Roger used to be a good flag to see. It meant that the pirates were willing to give quarter to those who surrendered.
 
I would feel much more comfortable with a Barrett and a pile of API rounds. Sink them before they can get within 200 yards of your boat. A shotgun? That means they are waaaay too close.
 
On the larger ships, a fire hose isn't used to spray water at the pirates!
They are used to steam the pirates!
The steam is so hot that it will peal your skinn off.
It leaves the pirates floating in the ocean like small pink screaming blobs.

Ships that brings cargo to and from certain countries (like Korea), isn't armed.
This is because some countries won't allow a ship with any kind of gun onboard to come into their waters. :scrutiny:
 
The vast majority of commercial ships in the international trade are both completely unarmed and in possesion of fairly large sums of hard currency (often american dollars) for the purposes of paying harbors fees etc, a nasty combination. There are a variety of reasons why they are unarmed most of them political.
 
I was actually involved in capturing a pirate just south of Puerto Rico in the mid-eighties when I was in the Coast Guard. Cruising late at night we saw a large sailboat with the sails trimmed and the rudder set so it was just sailing in a small circle. It just looked odd and we couldn't raise anyone onboard with the radio. We got in close and saw that the boat was a luxury vessel Dutch registered down in St. Maarten or Curacao or someplace like that (I no longer recall).
We started hailing them with a loudspeaker and shining lights on it, but still couldn't get any response even though we could see someone moving inside and looking out the portholes at us. We were outside US Territorial waters (but not very far) and it would take forever to get permission from the Dutch to board the vessel. The skipper finally decided the vessel was "in danger" (it wasn't) and we'd board it to "rescue" them.

Five of us went onboard - three M16's, a Model 12 shotgun (me) and a junior officer with a 1911 - some rescue! There was a guy in the cabin who came out with his hands up. He turned out to have Dominican papers. The boat was a mess, clothes and equipment and rotten food on the decks in the cabins, all of the cabinets and drawers open and obviously looted. And on the rear deck there was a huge pool of blood. There were some guns in the cabin; a couple of nice double shotguns that looked like they probably belonged to the vessel and a rusty revolver which (I think) was a .38 Smith, though it may have been a Colt or something else. It was hidden under a cushion in the cabin.

When questioned by someone who spoke Spanish, the guy could come up with no plausible reason for why he was there or why he was connected to the vessel or why the vessel was in the state it was in. I think he said he was sailing it someplace for the owners.
We contacted the homeport of the vessel and they told us the owners, a man and wife, had been found a few days earlier. They were in the harbor tied up and shot in the head, execution style.

What we think was happening was that the guy we caught was supposed to meet somebody there and turn over the vessel to be used for drug smuggling. We hung around for a few days, but nobody else ever showed up - not surprising, since anyone monitoring the marine band would know something had gone down.

The guy was eventually turned over to the Dutch and was charged with piracy. The JO involved in the boarding got to go down (to St. Maarten?) and spend a month or so sitting in a luxury hotel until he was called to testify. I envied him! The guy was found guilty of the piracy charge, but I don't think they could actually tie him to the murders.

Keith
 
Just south of here by the Coronado Islands, a man was sailing to Ensenada when he was boarded by 3 mexican nationals in a small speedboat. They asked for help and when he turned around they rushed him. His throat was slit and the boat ransacked. He was left for dead. He swam to shore and survived. I do alot of fishing down there on my own boat and I'm very careful about people approaching. No firearms allowed in Mexico either. I don't know who's scarier, the mex navy or the pirates...

Scott
 
Shooten:
At least there's a difference in Mexico; in South East Asia, the local navy is sometimes very involved in the wrong side of the piracy business. (With the PRC being believed to be one of the worst offenders)

Kharn
 
Yes - they are alive and well

and in most countries (Me hi co ) in particular, GUNS of ANY KIND
are 'verboten' . This is WHY pirates exist (pesants - unarmed - criminals
armed cause they don't give a c**p if the're caught)
The south china sea is the worst for priacy/abduction/'disapearances
etc.
A theory heard many years ago postulated that the 'Bermuda Trangle'
at least in modern times was really piracy. More private
planes/yachts/boats in a small are than anywhere else with
'novice' pilots/captains etc and right in the middle of the
drug 'mainstream'. Capture the plane/boat - kill the
crew/passengers - make one/or more 'runs' and scuttle
the boat/aircraft (why not - there's more where they came from) -
ergo 'mysterious' dissappearance !!!
 
Yes piracy is alive and well. They range from small time crooks armed with knives to ever more heavily armed ,AKs, RPGs , and now more terrorist pirates. The authorities of course have the old "solution " ban the good guys from having guns for defense. Clark Gable had the answer in the movie "Hong Kong" IIRC, with the 20mm gun in the back of the junk !!
 
Kham,

No disrespect to the Mexican Navy. It's just a little unnerving to have 18 year old men point machine guns at you (fingers on the trigger) while they search for weapons and check your permits. Happens quite a bit around here. Fishing the pacific ocean is dangerous in many ways.

Scott
 
you'd think crews would be arming themselves after centuries of this crap, go figure. IMHO, you wouldnt even need all the cool hk milspec toys to ward off these wanabes, if you happen to be a decent shot, you could make short work of fiberglass speedboats with a winchester 70 in 375 h&h, or a handfull of 870's
 
I recall a news article about a year or 2 ago about some guys in small boats trying to board a nondescrept gray ship to I would think loot it. They actually tryed to pirate a US navy fleet oiler and got the bad end of a few .50 M-2s.
 
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