Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by blackd24, May 25, 2021.
usually easy to tell if they're illegal if the owner has no idea what the laws are as far as the sbrs and vertical foregrips.
Auto seers and lightning links are hilarious when the owner is driving a truck that's "Johnny's machining services" they strike up a condo with you and show you it, and you can still smell the cutting oil on it.
Or people just flat out tell you they don't give a hoot about laws as they have wish.com glock backplates and fuel filters attached.
Arizona is a different place man.
. . . they all wanted to take turns shooting it. The annoying thing is that not a one of them told him that it was illegal. He passed this year, but when needed he was able to play the combat vet, with serious hearing damage, card well.
Makes a fun range toy.
S&W M&P 2.0
People might not turn them in but they aren't going to be using them either. No one wants to get jammed up for a felony by showing up to the range with the wrong hardware.
Also known as "Irish Democracy". We are fast approaching the tipping point.
Just watched the video listed in your sig, it is great!
That’s a good one. The Belgians among us might not appreciate the video though.
I was in a gun shop once a a few months back, the owner was talking to a guy about all the new gun regs on the horizon, the guy made an insinuation that he had all the "good stuff" buried deep in a hole. I mean I understand the idea of a cache and it's not really a bad idea if you are Michael Weston or Sarah Connor, I just couldn't help but wonder, for the average guy what good is all your "good stuff" if it's buried deep in a hole somewhere, likely inaccessible?
there are too many out there to restrict now, . . . . it's like when CB radio became super popular in the 1970's and the FCC gave up on making everyone get a license
You can't ban something ex post facto, years after it's become very popular
S&W and Ruger factory guns:
Tell that to bump stock owners. Lot's of un-Constitutional stuff gets proposed.
I can't say for sure, but I would doubt that bump stocks were as prolific as braced pistols. They have got to number in the millions by now. Maybe 10+million, idk. It does seem like every major AR manufacturer offers a braced pistol AR and that's after a pretty long steady while of standalone braces and kits being sold in huge numbers.
I think bump stocks only appealed to certain types and there were plenty sold, I'd just be surprised if it was anywhere close to how many braces or braced pistols that have been sold. Whether the governing authority takes any of this into account would be for somebody else to tell me, but I would think they'd have to.....
@DustyGmt , so ex post facto bans are only bad as long as there is a certain level of popularity?
No. I was just postulating that the sheer volume of devices "might" play a role in the outcome in terms of whether something is banned outright, existing devices grandfathered, etc... I do not know, but I suspect they have to calibrate restrictions, at least in part based on likelihood of compliance, logistics of enforcement, etc...
But no, all bans are bad in my view.
Huh? I''m not sure what the heck an "ex post facto" ban is. It doesn't make sense.
Cocaine, booze, LSD.......all perfectly legal until prohibited by a law.
"ex post facto" is in regards to punishing someone for using or possessing something that was legal BEFORE the prohibition took effect.
Read up on the Volstead Act.
Yeah but prohibition was back in the what, late 20's, early 30's and it's my understanding that it was repealed or rescinded or whatever a very short time after. I would assume, again, that the non compliance and all the collateral effects had something to do with it.
My understanding is that the intent is not necessarily to ban pistol braces themselves. Instead, the intent is to prohibit their use on handguns. As such, you could still affix a brace to a rifle (16” barrel or longer). Why anyone would opt for a brace over a stock on rifle is another question, but my point is that unlike bump stocks, people may not be required to dispose of them as possession itself may not be criminal unless on a firearm with a barrel under 16”.
Please correct me if I am mistaken.
You know how we know you didn't read up on the Volstead Act? It wasn't repealed "a short time later"........but thirteen years later.
Non compliance doesn't repeal laws. Plenty of people continue to use, buy, transport, sell and manufacture numerous types of illegal drugs.
I didn't need to read the volstead act to come to the conclusion that it was a pretty short time frame, I thought it was like 10 years, but 13 years. OK. That's not really my point anyway, but that's pretty obvious. Also, We? Like the royal we? .
Illicit drugs are not really an appropriate parallel/comparison, is it? But since you brought up the prohibition thing, you don't think the fact that it was wildly unpopular and the fact that everybody and their mother was breaking the law had to do with it being repealed?
to "bump fire" auto-rifles without them (with a little practice). I (also) do not see the
value (or need) for "pistol braces"; AR "pistols" accuracy or performance isn't really
increased by using them - they're just another "toy" to sell to people who like to
waste their money.
If I need that kind of accuracy I go get one of my rifles.
That said, I can easily hit an 6 inch steel disk at 60 yards with my 1991A1 compact.
Did it at Gunsite and the instructor just said. "****".
He did not know I was a state level Bullseye competitor.
The younger guys taking the class wanted to be State LE in Minnesota.
All working on associates degrees from a state college.
IIRC there where three of them,
When the order to fire came they all managed to get a shot off before the rest of us (only 8 in the class).
The targets they shot at looked like someone had fired shotgun with buck though.
Even at 3 yards.
The instructor (Bill Halverson) uttered the phrase "You cannot miss fast enough to win a gunfight. Only hits count."
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