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Pistol Caliber Rifle

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by glassman, Nov 9, 2007.

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  1. glassman

    glassman Member

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    I've been thinking about buying my first rifle/carbine for a while now and have been looking into a pistol caliber. I do all of my shooting at an indoor range and don't need this rifle for home defense. Around here, a box of .223 ammo is about $11 for 20 rounds while a box of 50 rounds in 9mm is the same price.
    I've shot the CX4 Storm but didn't like it much. I've also looked into the bushmaster carbon 15 but haven't shot it. Anyone have the bushy that can give me the pros and cons? Should I be looking elsewhere?
     
  2. grimjaw

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    If you do a search for "pistol caliber carbine" you should turn up a ton of threads on THR alone. This topic has been covered ad nauseum.

    My suggestion is to decide on a caliber and/or an operating system (semi, lever, etc) and go from there.

    jm
     
  3. TheGunGuru

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    Buy the bushmaster and use wolf/surplus ammo...you can get 10 rounds for 5 bucks...not as cheap as pistol ammo but it will be more accurate at the range. I don't have the carbon 15 but I do have the xm15 a2 and I love it. Even with the 16 inch barrel and wolf ammo i can shoot a quarter at 100 yards with relative ease so you can show off to your buddies at the range...haha.
     
  4. Wolfgang2000

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    Pistol caliber carbines are fun to shoot and have a niche in an urban environment. But you have to remember that it still just a pistol round. I have a marlin camp in 9mm, a marlin 1894 357, 22 Lr and 22 mag lever actions. I've had 44 mag carbines and a Olympic AR in 40 S&W. My wife loves the camp 9mm, and 357. I think they are really fun guns to shoot. The 44 mag recoil was a little stiff, and not near as fun as the 357, BUT if you need a serious round the 44 is it.

    The Olympic AR in 40 really impressed me. The only problem was the magazines. They were using Uzi 41 AE mags. It wasn't working well, but that was in the 90's. I hope they have fixed it by now. What they did was take a 10 1/2" bbl then add a tube with break cuts in the end to make it legal. It was very accurate. I could shoot hostage shots off hand at 80 yards, with iron sights.

    The thing against pistol cartridge carbines is the size of the weapon. They are the same size as full powered rifles. But if you just want a pistol caliber carbine get one, they are fun to shoot.
     
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    HiPoint Carbine 995 (9mm) --- only about $200 brand new, and a lifetime warranty. The reviews all say it is a good firearm. You can get one in 40SW, too.
     
  6. 32 Magnum

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    Pistol Caliber Carbines

    These are an excellent concept for Home Defense. They are not just a pistol cartridge. You can expect at least a 30% increase in performance with the 18" barrel and the cross sectional density (diameter to weight ratio) of pistol projectiles is greater than .223 and .30 rifle projectiles (they punch a bigger hole). Any body who thinks that a handgun is adequate for home defense use, can't possibly not think that a pistol caliber carbine would be less adequate. They are relatively short, light and quick handling, not like a full size rifle. At ranges out to 75 yards 9mm, .40 and .45 cal. carbines are very effective and sufficiently accurate for fun and for protection. Don't think so? Take a look at the effectiveness of the M1927 Thompson. I have Marlin Camps in 9mm and .45 ACP, a IMI Timber Wolf in .357 mag/ .38 SPL and a Reising Model 60 in .45 ACP - all four are remarkably accurate and I would not hesitate to use any one of those for defensive purposes and I'm sure the accuracy at house ranges and at 10"x12" target zones would be more than adequate - added benefit, reduced recoil, better control and less chance of pass through. Besides all that, they are tremendous fun at the range and fairly cheap to feed.
     
  7. Ratshooter

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    Here Here, Three cheers for 32 magnum. I couldn't have said it better myself.
     
  8. Gustav

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    For some good old fashion fun a lever action Marlin 1894 Winchester 1894 Trapper or Puma 1892 in .357 or .44 is hard to beat.

    The .357 can use .38 special ammunition as well as .357 Magnum

    The .44 can use the .44 special for plinking and full house .44 magnum loads for allot of things should you later decide to do so.

    Both rounds out of a carbine length barrel pick up extra velocity and with the added weight and length of a rifle barrel they are allot easier to shoot and handle.
     
  9. George Hill

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    Hornady just announced their LEVERevolution in .357 Mag and .44 Mag. That gives a huge advantage over regular pistol loads in your Marlin 1894's.
     
  10. Grandpa Shooter

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    Having used pistol caliber carbines in the past I can attest to their utility. They are accurate, powerful enough for close range varmint control, and far easier your wallet than a rifle caliber. Get any of them and give it a chance. You'll have a ball!
     
  11. GigaBuist

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    That's awesome to hear. My desire to own a .30-30 just dropped to zero as I've already got a Marlin 1894C in 357.

    This is very important. You should train with your HD weapon on a regular basis and pistol caliber carbines are a great amount of fun That fun, and cheap fun at that, leads to more practice time with the weapon which is the primary reason I bobble between my Marlin 1894C and Rm. 870 for home defense purposes. I have plenty of choices but these two guns get more range time than anything else so they get the HD role.
     
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    How about an Uzi or an HK clone?
     
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    Look at the Kel Tec Sub2000 in .40. I have one that takes the glock mags, and it sure is fun. At 25 yards, it's just one ragged hole. Check out the Kel Tec Owners Group site and go to the sub2000 subforum. Lots of pics of what others have done to their rifles.
     
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    I believe this depends on the round. Some 9mm and .38 Special rounds have almost no increase in performance from a carbine barrel, especially rounds with light bullets and fast powder. .44 Magnum will generally give the biggest increases, sometimes doubling muzzle energy. .357 Magnum are a step behind in increases, and .45 ACP a step behind the .357s.

    YEEE-HAA!!!!!
     
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    if you get one, only get a Hi-point carbine in 9mm and a brand spankin' new one at that. the design team for this weapon takes feedback from LEO's and have crafted it into a fine weapon, the .40S&W still has some gremlins that need to be worked out. you would do fine with a 9mm version less than two years old but with them running $180 used and $200 new no reason to buy one without that new gun smell...
     
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    I'd look at the RRA 9mm.
     
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    The Hi-Point is great. The ATI stock is sexy and a great replacement for the butt-ugly factory stock, and the recoil is so light you can use cheap eBay airsoft or paintball gun accessories like tac bags, reflex sights, lasers and tac lights without beating them to death, and still not have $300.00 tied up in it, it's accurate as any 9mm carbine, and will digest anything in 9mm with dead-nuts reliability.
     
  18. Shadan7

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    I'll second the Sub2000...

    ...but say that 9mm is a heck of a lot cheaper to shoot than .40. That little Kel-Tec carbine is just a lot of fun to shoot, and folds in half for convenient storage! Where else can you get a long gun that'll fit into a pizza box ... for about $300, new? :evil:
     
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    Hi Points are great if you can't afford a nice pistol caliber AR-15.

    Just like everything else, you get what you pay for.

    Gey an Oly Arms or RRA AR-15. Then you can dress it up with an EOTech or Aimpoint for some serious work.

    I have NEVER seen anything but AR-15s and riot shotguns in a police cruiser.

    PLEAAAZZZZZ.

    I see some guys at my range with their Hi Points:

    [​IMG]

    Don't be that guy!

    :neener:
     
  20. duncan

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    Now the Kel Tec pistol carbines are also nice. Especially the older all metal carbines. They even take Glock mags!!!!

    The Marlin Camp carbines are nice in a hunting kind of way.

    The HK USC is nice if you like 45 ACP too.

    And the 44mag and 357 mag carbies by Marlin and Puma are great from a Wild Wild West CAS feel.

    But leave some of the others alone. Please.
     
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    I have four pistol caliber carbines and if Hi-Point ever comes out with their long-promised .45 ACP carbine I'll be giving it a look. But my hands down favorite is the .45 ACP on the AR-15 platform:
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    ETA - The .45 AR smokes my HK USC.

    ETA II - Check out CMMG's Bargain Bin for .45 ACP ARs for $650. I'd pick one up myself if I didn't already have a couple of .45 ARs.
     
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    Ah, the BAZ45 lower. I thought about getting one but wound up with the CNC/Khalan AR45 instead. Getting money together to get my upper built has been a problem though...

    Anyway, if the AR bug is nibblin at ya, get an RRA in 9mm. I'm not to crazy about the OLY .45s, mainly due to the 16 round UZI mags, their expense, and rarity. I dont know what the BAZ45 lower costs, but I do know the AR45 isn't cheap. Not to mention the price differece in 9mm and .45 ammo.
     
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    Mounted my latest accesory to my Hi-Point today. I buy the cheapest eBay crap I can get, because the pretty nonexistent recoil doesn't destroy paintball stuff...
     

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    I looked at a few high point 9mm and it looks like the receiver is painted? Its still a toss up but I do find it interesting.
     
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    Yup, they're painted...Makes upkeep pretty easy...
     
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