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Pistol holds 31 rounds of 22 magnum. Good defense weapon? Yes or No.

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by ms6852, Oct 25, 2010.

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  1. ms6852

    ms6852 Member

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    If your pistol held 30 rounds in the magazine and 1 in the chamber weighs less than 20 ounces, and it comes with another 30 round magazine, would you reconsider your stand on carrying a rimfire for self defense if it were a 22 magnum? Kel Tec has the new PMR 30 in 22 magnum for under $450. You can easily now cary over 60 rounds for self defense. What is your stand on this new pistol?
     
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  2. pikid89

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    30 rounds is nothing to sneeze at...if you are aware and willing to accept the risk of relying on the (somewhat) inherent unreliability of a rimfire cartridge
    i could see it being a little more useful as a trail gun
    as a side note, this will be a very very LOUD gun...six shots from my single six WMR is enough to induce temporary deafness for me
     
  3. GEM

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    Does the gun run? It is based on the old Grendel,IIRC - which had a bad rap. The 22 mag round is long and not idle for semis - or so I've been told.

    Would it work for self-defense - probably as most guns work for self-defense most of the time!
     
  4. fourdollarbill

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    If I'm going to use a gun in defense the bad guy is going to have to be very close to me so I have always considered a 22lr for that reason. I don't know enough about 22 and SD but I would certainly consider it. I have been eyeballing my kids Walther P22 because of the size and weight I'm just not sure I could place a shot that well.
     
  5. Sam1911

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    "Most" shootings are over in 2-3 shots. I'd like my 2-3 shots to be rounds as powerful as I can easily and quickly place on target. For me that's usually a .45 ACP.

    I've trained to put those 2-3 .45s into the center of a target at rates of fire better than 5 shots per second. I doubt the lesser recoil of a .22 mag is going to let me go a whole lot faster than that.

    As the statistics seem to indicate that I'm vanishingly unlikely to need more than half of a 1911 magazine to deal with my problems, and I generally carry 3 total, the extra 65 rounds of .22 Magnum I could have on hand seem superfluous.
     
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    Center mass

    As long as you continue center mass hits and not go to spray and pray. Never forget you alone are responsible for where each of those 61 bullets impact. IMHO less quantity is better using a round with more of a reputation for putting down an assailant.
     
  8. Joe Demko

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    Bill Jordan thought the .22 magnum was nothing to sneeze at, for whatever that is worth. Assuming the gun runs well, which my personal experience with several Keltecs indicates is not a given, I can see it having great usefulness as a home defense gun for those who cannot handle a harder recoiling piece.
     
  9. ms6852

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    Sam I agree with you. I take my training a little further and train religiously at only 25 and 50 yds. At those distances who ever is on the other hand will get hit. It is now second nature for me to hit a 3" bullseye with my 1911.

    I still like the concept for my wife who carries a 38 but does not shoot because of recoil. This way every one will be ducking bullets for a verry verry long time.

    As a trail gun I think it has its uses.
     
  10. Sam1911

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    Not to be contrary, but that sounds like taking your training back a notch.
    Are you able to practice shooting from retention at 25 and 50 yds? Can you engage multiple assailants on different lines of force at those ranges? Square range plinking at longer ranges may be a lot of fun, but it doesn't look much like the kind of skills you'll need to defend yourself with a gun.

    Everyone indeed. Yikes. 31 potential horrible mistakes before reloading. :uhoh:

    Considering how lightly loaded you can make a .38 Spc. cartridge, (lots) more practice seems like a far better idea than getting her a rimfire and telling her it's a magic bullet hose.

    Oh absolutely. You could do a lot of small game hunting with it or just have a ball plinking cans. Still, a big, bulky rimfire plinker is not what I'd choose for a defensive sidearm.
     
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    You are correct when stating that it is taking it back a notch, but not in my case. The last 8 years of my 21 year army career took me to many places that involved a lot more CQB than I cared for. Somalia, Bosnia, Croatia, and Iraq. It has left me jumpy and for my own mental reasons I practice this distances. I still do multipe targets, prone, back, weak hand training etc. I just feel comfortable doing it this way for me. I figure I can hit just as easily close up as far away. I do not advocate this for anyone but by the grace of God I survived some nasty scrapes.
     
  12. rcmodel

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    Do you plan to miss a lot??

    Seriously, if you ever shot 60 rounds in a SD gunfight, you would probably be charged with murder if you pumped that many shots into a BG.

    Or reckless endangerment if all those bullets flying around hit something besides the BG.

    rc
     
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    Only if the pistol will fire 200+ rounds without a hiccup.
     
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    No. No one ever plans to miss in a self defense situation and I doubt many have ever had to shoot their way out for their life. Its easy to fast and accurate when shooting at targets but not when you are scared half to death. Any way sir my question was very simple if you now could carry 60 rounds with you for self defense, would you reconsider your stand on rimfire as a self defense round in a 22 magnum? It is obvious that many people feel more comfortable carrying more rounds than a situation may call for, it is their comfort zone. I carry a 1911 with a 7 round mag and one extra magazine.
     
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    My Wife was a good shot, especially with the Ruger MK I 22LR. For some years she kept the MK I in the night stand.
    Then it seemed that there were a few too many cases of someone using a 22 for defense and still being shot and/or killed.
    The final straw was when I read in the Rifleman about a old lady shooting a BG 6 times with her 22. She killed the BG but he lived long enough to kill the lady before he died.
    The next morning the 22 was replaced with a GI 45 (which my Wife could also shoot well).

    I'll use a 22 for defense but only if I have to but given the choice I want a bigger caliber for defense.
    I recently bought a 3.5 inch barrel S&W Model 51 (22 Mag). I've chronographed several loads and from a pistol barrel and there's not that much difference between the 22LR and 22 Mag.


    Having a large magazine capacity in a defense gun isn't a bad idea, so I use such as this 20 round Beretta PX4 (9mm) for a nightstand gun.
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    Gee, a .22 Mag pistol has just a wee bit more energy than a .22LR from a rifle (depending on barrel length)...........
     
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    I think this set up with 2 spare mags [90 rnds!] would make an ideal earth quake kit gun. Too bad you can't buy them in California.
     
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    Quoted from someone's sig on these forums awhile ago:
    "Getting shot in the head from across the street with a .22LR will surely ruin your day"

    Granted it kills but I would prefer a 9mm or .45 and when would someone need 31 rounds to stop someone?
     
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    30 rounds better than 8?.....sounds like the pre-Vietnam M-16 debate-vs-M14. While good arguments can be made for both sides, one has to wonder if this isn't compensating for lack of marksmanship ability.

    One could make a case that a 12 gauge handgun firing 00 buck would be the ultimate lead thrower.
     
  20. Sam1911

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    That clarifies things quite a bit.
     
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    As far as reliability, I've never had a 22 magnum misfire. Out of a pistol, the 22 wmr is about as hot as a 22lr out of a rifle. Nothing to sneeze at.
     
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    got a pmr 30, misloaded the first mag had a few failture to load, striped the mag the reloaded correctly. then about 180 rounds fine. only had one outing with it, i like it and if its on hand and you need it....... 30rds of 22mag.
     
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    The reliability issue is a huge one. I'd rather have a .25 if the .22 Magnum isn't dead nuts reliable.
     
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    +1.

    If I really think I lived in a place where I'd need 31 rounds, I'd just carry my P95 with a spare mag.
     
  25. Carter

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    I'm pretty sure dumping that many rounds in to a person would constitute excessive force in most places. All the DA, police, jury, etc would hear is, "The defendant shot the victim 30 times with a magnum handgun." Case over, you go to prison.

    There is a point to where capacity vs cartridge size becomes silly.
     
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