Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by jlg, Jan 4, 2012.
I think the most accurate answer is "No." It looks a lot like an IO product but it's hard to say.
So do I but to the best of my knowledge there aren't any 100% American made AKs. Foreign parts kits are far too easy and cheap for an American company to 100% completely fabricate their own AK. That having been said you should check out these guys:
It's a partially American made AK and the work is really high quality. My local gun store had a few for around $650 and honestly at that price point it's a really nice rifle.
and It does shoot good but 1-2 moa is pushing it. maybe a better shooter could do it, I'm right at around 4 moa trying to get better.
p.s. I got mine for $350 out the door, seems a lil high to me.
I guess it's no different than using any other animal name (python, mustang, redhawk, SAIGA, etc) but the unfortunate (especially for the animals) affiliation with gang culture really turns me off to products that use the name/imagery of a TRULY wonderful and American breed of dog, in order to appeal to wannabe tough guys.
The rifle could be decent but it looks like junk with that furniture. Also, I doubt that it is nearly as well made as an SGL-21 which you can get for $200 more.
I guess a Robinson XCR would be considered a worthy American version of an AK, but pricey. Surprising an American company cannot produce a 100% USA MADE AK variant, like Israels or South Africa's Galils. Wonder if it's related to licensing fees/issues. I guess, why would they, when Century only pays $10 for each WASR they import and then mark it up accordingly. Then we have our Saiga conversions from Arsenal with a solid mark up with out having to worry about the machinery for stamped or milled receivers and barrels. I wonder what Arsenal pays for each "sporter" Saiga?
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=597559 per a 1967 Army study
It's definitely one feature to consider when selecting a firearm, especially if shooting corrosive surplus, which I do. I don't see how anyone could refute the claim that chrome lining does not improve barrel longevity and durability. So what if it's not necessarily needed in the civilian market, it's available and has a viable benefit.
I'm pretty sure the non-chromed lined barrel will not be the downfall of the ol "pitbull", but it's definitely not helping to sell it as a reputable AK in the current market. Get a Saiga for less and you'll have a far superior firearm.... with a chrome lined barrel.
I saw a Pitbull today at the Cincinnati Gun Show. It was $549.00. The plastic furniture is a real piece of [email protected] It's hollow and flexible.
I doubt it has much to do with that. More than likely it's because foreign parts kits are so plentiful and cheap. Why pay all the money for tooling and training to produce parts that can be had dirt cheap from overseas?
... couldn't agree more. I don't like the Arsenal furniture and to get it configured the way I like an AKM, I would have to spend an additional $250.00. In the end, I'd have a pricey rifle that wouldn't out-shoot any other AKM that I own.
Now, about the Pitbull... I don't doubt their claims of 1-2" groups. I have a M10-762 and I can shoot 1.5-2" groups all day long with Tula ammo from Walmart - even better with Golden Tiger. If they are saying "100% American made", I would take that as the entire rifle is built here and nothing is imported. If that is not the case, I'd have to say they are being deceptive with their advertising.
Question - If it is a IO Inc. AKM, is that a bad thing? I'm not very familiar with IO.
They are garbage and I've examined 5 different IO builds at 3 different stores, each a monstrosity. At Turners in Vista CA, I popped the dust cover off one and removed the recoil spring, when I did a large mount of dust (sawdust I think) poured out of the bolt carrier. Is sawdust the new recoil buffer? I don't think so. And I'm not talking about a few pieces, there was a lot, it poured out onto the floor, I was actually waiting for the perplexed salesman to ask me to clean it up.... yeah right. I guess they weren't used to having a customer actually inspect a firearm they were selling. But I'm also sure they did not expect that to happen. There are IOs in Big 5 and Turners in CA, I have no idea why they are carry the worst AK on the market, but they do. From the craftsmanship, the finish, the rivets, the furniture, to the parts, they are at the bottom of the barrel! Why would anyone support or champion their firearms when they produce such garbage, I have no idea.
Then get a WASR-10/63, a flip of the coin but if you are able to inspect it personally, you are GTG. A Century Draco is 100% built in Romania and imported in with all parts, a y stamped receiver, no 922r compliance needed as it is classified as a pistol. I love mine and only wish I could SBR, illegal in CA. Or shell out a little extra for an Arsenal SGL21. Atlantic firearms also has some interesting builds. I would avoid IO Inc.
The CIA WASR-10's are good rifles. I've handled quite a few. Some of the major issues I've noticed with them are: front sight post canted, mags not fitting well, safety very stiff. However, most that I've seen have not had any of these issues. If you hand pick one and check for those issues first you shouldn't have any problems.
I have personally built two SBR's from the Dracos and I'm extremely pleased with them. Much higher quality than the WASR's. Basic cost for gun, tax stamp and stock - about $750. Not bad for a good quality 12.5" AK
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