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Pizza Hut Against Self Defense

Discussion in 'Activism' started by 308win, Apr 7, 2008.

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  1. 308win

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    Let Pizza Hut know what you think.

     
  2. ilbob

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    They may actually believe this, but probably not.

    What they have done is made the financial and PR decisions that the potential law suits resulting from an employee shooting a would be murderer would be more expensive than the occasional dead employee. Most companies have made the same decision for the same reasons so it seems a little unfair to target Pizza Hut.
     
  3. ggb3

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    I should have read and seen that this topic was posted already.
    I am a little slow : )
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    this has also happened at pizza hut before. a few years ago someone was also relieved for defending themself in the store.

    employees have also been fired for reporting unsanitary conditions to the health department. imagine that



    pizza hut is going under. dont give them your business. go papa johns or domino's
     
  5. ilbob

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    Of the three chains you mentioned, I prefer PH.

    I have never liked Dominos. The pizza just does not taste good to me.

    And the last time I ate Poppa Johns 5 or 6 or 7 years ago, I got food poisoning symptoms, and had them for several days. It tasted good, but the after effects were unpleasant enough that I never got pizza there again.

    I am not a huge fan of PH pizza either, but its probably the best of the big national chains, at least to me.

    There are several local pizza places that make much better pizza IMO. But they are not quite as convenient as PH, and that is what PH is really selling.
     
  6. ilbob

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    No doubt this is not limited to PH.
     
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    My letter to them
     
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    Does any big pizza chain allow their drivers to be armed? If so, I'll give them my business. If not, then there's another reason to go to the locally owned pizza places.

    I know the guys who own the Mancino's restaurant in my town. They actually looked into buying a handgun/handguns with which to arm their delivery drivers, but they ran into legal complications due to one of the employees being an ex-con. Presumably they would allow drivers to carry their own weapons. I don't know if all Mancino's restaurants allow their drivers to be armed, but that seems to be the case at the one in my town.

    I don't go get my pizza there because the food isn't good and the service is worse, but at least they allow their drivers to be armed.
     
  11. Cave Dweller

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    My contribution,

     
  12. Kentak

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    Cave Dweller,

    Can you cite a case where an employer was successfully sued by an employee for damages suffered by them because they were unable to defend themselves due to the employer's no gun policy?

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  13. k_dawg

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    Has anyone heard about a fund for this gentlemen?
     
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    they specifically state in their employee manual that you cannot carry... they also state that in the event of a robbery, you should comply with all commands and not offer any form of resistance...

    in my experience, about 50% of the drivers dont pay any attention to the rules and carry anyways... just like a good % of them dont have cars that are in proper shape either...
     
  15. Cave Dweller

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    No, but the mere idea of liability may work. My goal was to inform them of their error. (which I fully expect to be ignored) Besides, after writing all that, I only had 1 character left. I guess they didn't want any rambling manifestos:evil:
     
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    I don't know if someboday has stated this but the parent company owns Taco Bell, KFC, etc.
     
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    Why they have the same policy in place. I know I have worked for all 3 in the past.

    incorrect, they are for not carrying a gun, the lack of a fire arm does not exclude you from defending yourself.
     
  18. Kentak

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    I'm sure all of these businesses, large and small, that prohibit employee carry have considered the legal ramifications even before reading your letter. The thing is, if employees know the policy and abide by it, they can't really put the blame back on the employer since they agreed to the terms of employment. If they violate the policy, they can't really expect to continue employment. If someone believes delivering pizza is so dangerous that they need to be armed against their employer's rules, they should probably find another line of work.

    Pizza Hut, and others, probably calculate that the liability to themselves is greater if they allow carry and their employee screws up and has a bad shoot. That for sure can come back on them.

    Now, I know from posting similar statements of reality that I'll get flamed for not supporting RKBA. Ok. I've made no contention about the rightness or wrongness of PH's policy, just the reality as I see it. If someone wants to pass a law to allow delivery persons to CCW in spite of employer policy, fine and dandy. I would expect, however, that employers would heartily oppose such legislation unless it also relieved them of liability for wrongful acts by armed employees. That's only fair, isn't it?

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    Nothing new here. I used to work for Papa John's. They have a no weapons policy as well. That means no weapons on me or in my vehicle. It didn't stop me from carrying an XD9SC, another driver from carrying a .40 Glock, nor my manager from keeping a Beretta 92 in the office.

    These decisions are made by legal departments based on the company's bottom line. If I am killed on a run, Papa John's doesn't owe me a penny. That's what it says on the paper I signed when I started working for them. On the other hand, nothing shields Papa Johns from a lawsuit if a driver causes wrongful injury on a bystander. "Safer for everybody" really means "Cheaper for us".

    There were a few times that I thought I might have to pull a weapon. One was in a crappy apartment complex downtown. Just one narrow staircase going up four floors with a bunch of restless looking porch monkeys congregating at the base of the staircase. After I delivered the food to the fourth floor, I pulled the XD from my IWB, racked it, untucked my shirt and put the gun in my waistband against my back. I didn't have to pull it. Other times I've had guys stake out my car. A few other drivers have been robbed this way. For what it's worth, Papa Johns covers their drivers up to $20 for theft, the rest comes out of the driver's paycheck.

    It's been at least a year since I've worked there. I've got a much better job now. Between the cost of fuel, and the good chance of getting hurt, this isn't a job for the long haul.
     
  20. Cave Dweller

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    The same parent company owns Pepsicola I believe. I always stop off at the taco Bell/ kfc up the street from the range I go to. Walking in smelling like gunpowder:neener:
    I do agree, it's a financial calculation made by the powers that be. And I am under no delusion that the people who make these decisions will ever see my message. Nor will they see the light by sheer "brilliance" of my argument.
    The thing to remember about debating a rabid anti gunner is "you will not convince them, you can not win them over" if they should have a conversion experience, or be even slightly open minded, great.
    Your real target is the onlookers. The lowly folks who answer emails will be the ones most affected by the message. Office work is boring, and I may have given potential allies something to talk about. Or a pro gun mole a chance to evangelize his or her coworkers. Keep your fingers crossed, pray for a mutiny.
     
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    I emailed them. Also mentioned setting up a local boycot as a result of the policy.

    **** Does anything think a boycot on a national level is worthwhile? ****

    Perhaps enough pressure may get the guy his job back, and the policy changed.

    We change Pizza Hut now, then focus attention on the other guys, one at a time...
     
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    The way I see it, if I never use it, they will never know. If I do have to use it, it comes down to the philosophy of "I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6".

    These companies can do all the legal wrangling they want, but in the end it comes down to the guy with the pizza in one hand and the gun to his head. I choose to not be a victim, it's not like you can't get another low paying job the next day.
     
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    LOL. I can't really argue with that. All I'm saying is that if you freely choose to carry against policy, don't whine about losing the job if you get made. I *am* sympathetic to any guy who might find it necessary to take a low-paying job that is more dangerous than it should be. I'm not going to fault them for wanting to be protected. Take some of my fellow teachers, for example. LOL.

    K
     
  24. Elm Creek Smith

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    Little Caesar's had a "no guns" rule when I delivered for them after I retired from the Army. The only time I was threatened was when I told a drunk, again (since he was told when he ordered), how much the pizza would be (large pepperoni). He looked at me blearily and said, "How 'bout I just kick yer ass and take the d***ed pizza?"

    I told him that I wouldn't like that very much, and his eyes got big when he heard the sound of a hammer going to full cock under the pizza box. He gave me a twenty for a nine dollar pizza. He never saw the gun.

    I went by the house and swapped out the Beretta 950BS .25 ACP for a S&W Model 65.

    ECS
     
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    Written by a dummy who's never delivered a pizza, and would probably come home with damp undies if he had to.
     
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