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Placing blame

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Oleg Volk, Aug 31, 2008.

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  1. Oleg Volk

    Oleg Volk Moderator Emeritus

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  2. Duke Junior

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    That is very graphic.
    Stunning and startling.
     
  3. RancidSumo

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    Good except I would lose the ! at the end.
     
  4. HardKnox

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    I'll say that is certainly a bit more graphic than your usual posters.
    Although I agree with your point, I doubt you'll pull even one fence sitter to our side. Maybe if you dropped the "blood on their hands part" and said something like cho might not have killed 32 people if students were awarded the right to self defense", or something similar, more people would be more likely to consider your point instead of associating that poster with more gun nut rightest bs/propaganda.
     
  5. Oleg Volk

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    VT students from campuscarry.org liked it.

    I have less graphic versions. This one has to punch harder.
     
  6. Bill2e

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    Oleg, I respect your point & agree. I just think this one is to over the top IMHO.

    I think most of the posters play well with us, but I am not sure of the impact they have on the outside.
     
  7. sm

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    Oleg,

    I like it, just as it is.

    It takes what it takes to reach folks; if one does not upset, shock or totally tick off some folks in doing what they do , then they are not doing their best.

    You are doing your best.

    Thank you.


    Steve
     
  8. george29

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    There was once a succesful show called Scared Straight. Cons taught teens what prison was really like, It was taken off the air because it was too graphic.
    The Spin of life.

    [​IMG]
     
  9. Nolo

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    Sometimes...
    You just gotta be brutal.
    It's a psychological slap in the face, and that's what some well-meaning faculty need.
     
  10. SaxonPig

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    This is the Art History/Visual Arts professor speaking (and I know you teach photo, too). IMO the picture is way too graphic for public consumption. The real person and spreading blood will turn off if not outrage the vast majority of viewers. That's the way it is. They don't want to see reality.

    Better to have a chalk outline with books scattered about to represent the slain students. No blood. No bodies. That's just too real.

    This image will generate charges that we are ghouls. It's too powerful.
     
  11. az_imuth

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    Graphic, but certainly gets the point across. I would like to see you make a similar poster displaying cho on the floor with a message stating the likely outcome had one or more of the VT students been allowed the tools with which to defend themselves.

    As a plus, viewers are much less likely to be shocked at the sight of cho's lifeless body.
     
  12. Mandirigma

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    yeah too shocking, I guess 32 murders isn't?
     
  13. Soybomb

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    I dig it. There's a time and a place for subtle and there's a time and a place for provocative and controversial. Use each when most advantageous.
     
  14. Mrs. Armoredman

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    Oleg,

    It is graphic it needs to take the blinders off the folks at VT. I would leave it the way it is. That was how it was on the day he took other peoples lives. Keep up the good work.
     
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    While I ain't no English major...
    Wouldn't it be better to say "The blood is on their hands also" or "The blood is also on their hands"?
     
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    I hope someone with money will put that poster on a bill board near VT.

    Seriously.

    I was born in the mid 50's and personally have enough of this Dumbing Down of Society.

    Sensitivity Training- I have my own suggestion, it is called Reality.

    Having worked in the Main OR, I think VT Admins need to spend 32 hours in a ER and OR.

    I want them to see not only the victims coming in, having rape kits administered, the surgeries, the deaths, the organ harvests.

    I want them in scrubs and right there, and I want them to stand in OR 18 and get the deceased ready for the family to come back and view the deceased.
    I want them to there as the organs are harvested.

    I am fed up with folks shining a seat with their butts, making policy that consists of "comply", "submit" and "don't resist".

    If they cannot handle this, then 32 hours of a shooting facility where they are in settings, where trained persons using force on force and simunitons role play Criminals.

    Dammit I want these Admins to have honest to goodness fear, shame, emotional stress and beat fists against the wall.

    By golly, enough is enough, let them walk 32 minutes in a bad area of town with a cell phone and rape whistle.

    I do not care if folks get upset. Dead is Dead, and Dead is forever.
    Injured, and Maimed is Injured and Maimed and it too has everlasting effects on quality of life.

    Someone with money , do this Poster on a Bill Board, and oh please, let there be a Bill Board that is viewable from Admins offices at VT.

    *spit*

    Screw 'em, feed 'em fish heads and rice!
     
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    Agreed. It is graphic, and it is disturbing, but so was the body count left by that freaking psychopath. I say leave it as it is. People can get safe & tame any day of the week - sometimes they're gonna have to be exposed to something a little more realistic. God forbid anyone get their panties in a twist when it comes to opening their eyes to what can happen when people are forced to be a defenseless part of a madman's bodycount.
     
  18. Oleg Volk

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    This poster is now in the hands of VT students. I think their admins would get to see it before long.
     
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    I say go with it, but with the suggested "If only I had a computer to throw", as that seems to "be the answer to self defense" at some colleges now. And sm, why are you so reticent with your feelings? Better to let them out! +1 :D
    sailortoo
     
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    I hope they post it on campus. Personally, I like the hard punches. I say punch harder. Maybe find a way to point out VT administrators lobbied AGAINST a bill that would have removed restrictions on students carrying, before the massacre. Ask yourself, what if someone had a gun?
     
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    Oleg and SM:
    I understand your outrage. I'm sure we all do. But is it so impossible to imagine that the VT administrators are human also? How do we know they haven't had endless sleepless nights blaming themselves for not doing more? Is it possible to consider they even believe in their hearts what they did was right?

    Most of us know the mistake of disarming the public in any setting. The fact that many others don't get it does not make them less than human. Nor does it make them murderously culpable for the violence done by insanely violent criminals.

    Even if guns were allowed on every college campus in America (and I hope some day they are) - we can't know with any certainty that even one life would have been spared in that incident. The blame for this horror can really only be laid at the grave of Cho - and perhaps the "mental health" system that failed to get him the treatment and oversight he so desperately and obviously needed.
     
  22. sixgunner455

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    It is graphic. It is also real.

    Reality bites, sometimes. Doesn't mean that people should be able to continue to put their heads in the sand with impunity.

    Sometime, somewhere, somebody has to pull them up, draw a line in that sand, and tell it like it is.





    Yeah, I mix metaphors.
     
  23. SomeKid

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    bob, it is impossible to imagine the admin as human. Why? because they are mindless, soulless communistic educrats. Free and rationale thought, love for liberty, respect for other humans, all have been bred and "learned" out of them.

    They are to us as sheep are to sheepdogs. Not even the same species.
     
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    Two problems with that:

    1. liberals generally dont believe in personal responsibility. Why would they of all people feel responsible for Cho? They choose to blame "the gun" first.

    2. Their idea of "dong more" is making students even MORE defenseless.


    -T
     
  25. Catherine

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    I think that the poster should be left alone. It is NOT too graphic.

    It shows what happens when anyone is left without the right to self defense and/or to protect anyone else from a KILLER with FULL INTENT.

    The problem in this country is that everyone wants to be so full of political correctness for FEAR of offending anyone else. God forbid that we should tell it like it is - BLUNT and to the POINT - calling a spade a spade!

    Words and pictures tell it like it is if you can get them out to the masses. The masses include people with brains/common sense and ones that I would classify as 'sheep'. Sometimes the sheep wake up from their slumber!

    It is a good 'poster' - leave it alone. Thank you and keep up the good work.

    I deleted my speech before I posted this. It was a long one and since I don't feel like high heels and a soap box at this time of night... I will leave it OFF this post. Lucky you! Grin. Back to the fluffy slippers now.

    Catherine
     
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