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Really BAD LUCK!!! I am 65 years old and have been in dozens of guns shops, many gun shows, and hunted for about 60 years. I have spent many hours at the range with hundreds of shooters and have yet to see an accidental gun discharge. Maybe I should buy a lottery ticket.
 
What I find disturbing is the cavalier way in which many gunshop employees and owners handle firearms with customers around.

I have witnessed sales people sweeping the entire room, pointing at things/people etc.

I had to ask a salesman once to stop sweeping me with a 1911 I was looking at.

His reply was some crap like "It's not loaded"...

Yea. Right. Nobody ever got shot with an empty gun right?
 
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What I find disturbing is the cavalier way in which many gunshop employees and owners handle firearms with customers around.

I have witnessed sales people sweeping the entire room, pointing at things/people etc.

I had to ask a salesman once to stop sweeping me with a 1911 I was looking at.

His reply was some crap like "It's not loaded"...

Yea. Right. Nobody ever got shot with an empty gun right?
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It "does" make you wonder sometimes huh?

I've noticed worse gun handling in stores that were pawn-shop like...more so than dedicated gun stores.
I'm not sure why that is, but that seems to be the case around "here" anyways.
But....it could be totally different in other places.
 
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No comments about what to do about the four shooters that went downrange without making sure the line was cold?
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Don't know what you are talking about....
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I'm pretty sure he posted on the wrong thread. The comment makes perfect sense on another thread running right now about range safety.
 
Yea. Right. Nobody ever got shot with an empty gun right?
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I'm fairly certain that nobody ever did, actually. But don't tell me its unloaded, show me its unloaded. And even then, I expect you to act like it is loaded.
 
Got to say, this, as to a mag disconnect, "safety feature", is on the same level as a decocker, not supposed to fire on a live chambered round but - they can fail, as noted in any owner/operator manual...
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IMO, a "safety", regardless of type, should not be used to prevent a loaded gun from firing when you intentionally pull the trigger. Any time you pull the trigger expect the gun to fire. Simple stuff. But, the "simple" stuff can be the easiest forgotten the more experienced one becomes.
 
Uh yeah... we both live in Florida.

Are you implying something?
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Jungle lives in Florida
Rail Driver lives in Florida
Both have bad luck
Both have bad luck in Florida
The problem is obviously Florida :eek: :D
 
FIVETWOSEVEN said:
Jungle lives in Florida
Rail Driver lives in Florida
Both have bad luck
Both have bad luck in Florida
The problem is obviously Florida :eek: :D
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lol! To be fair, my rifle malf'd in South Carolina, though I have been going through a small string of bad luck recently.

Ironically, my recent bad luck IS caused by the State of Florida. I think it's time to move :p
 
Wow, definitely a lesson in situational awareness and holding any and all people around you to YOUR OWN standard of 'safe weapon handling' not trusting that because they work there, they must know better. Also +1 to the idea that both / any person involved in a ND should be imediately terminated of employment from said location.

Congrats on not being a statistic!
 
wow, that is CRAZY! i do not spend a lot of time in gun shops either, at least not nearly as much as i would like. but in my years, i have never heard of such a thing. i would think that would be grounds for IMMEDIATE TERMINATION! right there, right then. i would not want anyone on my staff that could kill some one customer or employee, by irresponsible firearm handling. the only firearms that should be loaded in a gun shop, are the ones employee's have on their persons in holsters for defense situations, and those IN HOLSTERS by patrons, as long as it is legal (some states it is not). the ONLY time a loaded weapon should be out of its holster is in the event that a situation arises, where it may be necessary to shoot someone. OR, if the shop has a range, then it would be appropriate for the guns to be loaded IN the range. but certainly not in the main area of the store. the two discharges you are describing certainly sound negligent. and the employee who did them, should consider him or herself discharged as well. a gun shop is no place for a careless sales person!
 
From my own personal experiance id have to guess this was a "shoot strait" store
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Possibly, but I have yet to see one at the store near me.
I am a range member and visit a couple of time a week.
They have had problems with rental guns and suicides.
 
Always a good reminder, the problem often lies with people who've handled guns a million times and start to ignore the 4 rules.
 
I guess I'm fortunate in the part of Florida I live in...Both of the shops I frequent have very aware and muzzle conscious staff. Any time I bring one of my weapons in, I clear and verify and they do the same when I hand it to them - even if they watched me do it!
I guess I'll just stay away from Miami!
 
I was in a gun shop in AL a few months back when a customer brought in a .22 semi for the gunsmith to look at. I had my back turned and the smith had the gun and was looking it over when he suddenly said, "Do you know this gun is loaded?" That was a feeling I will not likely forget.

A couple of years ago one of my hunting buddies had an accidental discharge. He killed a deer with a Marlin 336 and, after loading another round, let the hammer slip when he went to safe the gun. He has shot umpteen deer with this gun and was well aware of the process but made a mistake. Fortunately all it did was scare him pretty badly.

The LGS' I use are very safety aware and always make a habit of showing that a gun is clear when they take it off the shelf. I return the favor by verifying what he just showed me so we are both satisfied.

I hate seeing people sweep the store even if the gun is loaded. It just creeps me out.
 
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