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Please, God, Make It Stop!

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Phydeaux642, Mar 14, 2009.

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  1. Phydeaux642

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    My frustration has been building for a while now and I today I'm just so irritated that, if I didn't live in a quiet neighborhood, I would probably let loose with one of those primal screams.

    I got back into shooting some time back because I wanted to learn. I wanted to learn how to shoot better. I wanted to learn about different types of firearms. I wanted to learn about gun maintenance and repair. I wanted to learn about concealed carry. I wanted to read about other people's experiences and learn from them. In other words, I wanted to immerse myself into the sport of shooting and learn all that I could. When I do this with any interst of mine it usually ends up being a life long interest. I have enjoyed the journey thus far and have learned a lot here on THR, the interweb and talking to others in the sport. The people that truly love the sport are fun to talk with and are a plethora of great information.

    I have spent my time in the past buying different firearms and enjoyed every minute of it. I've come to a point where I have much of what I want in that respect. I still look but rarely find anything that I just have to have. Much of that has to do with all of the panic buying. In light of this I have thought about reloading and am at a place where I think I am ready to learn this skill. Unfortunately, I may not get to do this anytime soon and this is the source of my frustration.

    The panic buying has infiltrated every aspect of the sport and I have had enough. There are few, if any, good deals on guns today. Trying to find ammo reminds me of the Beannie Baby craze where people were fighting in the stores for their precious find (no, I didn't buy Beannie Babies). And, as I have found, reloading components are as bad, if not worse, than trying to find ammo. They are on the shelf for a few hours at the most, sometimes only a few minutes.

    A lot of folks say, "It's a good deal that we have all of these new gun owners. It's good for our rights. We need everyone we can get." Well, I'm not buying it. I will welcome every new shooter that got into the sport for the right reasons. I don't know if I can welcome those that got into it because someone where they work told them they need a gun before they are banned. I sure can't welcome those that got into the sport in order to stock up on guns, ammo and reloading components hoping to make a profit if a ban of any sort is put in place. A lot of these people will never shoot their guns more than one time, if at all. I can't imagine selling any of my guns or ammo to take advantage of a bad situation. I really hope I am never put into a position where I even have to consider selling any of them.

    On top of all of this, I think the panic buying makes those in the sport look bad. I think it's crazy, so, I can barely imagine what others outside the sport might think. It's almost as if people are giving in to the notion of an inevitable ban by taking part in the craziness.

    Maybe I'm wrong and am just missing out on something.

    I think I'll go work an my bicycle for awhile. Surely, I can still get parts for that.
     
  2. LightningJoe

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    Wow. Calm down. If this is your biggest problem, you're really blessed.
     
  3. camslam

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    I'm going to have to disagree. Personally I don't care what a person's motivations are for purchasing a gun, as long as they are legal. Also, it really is going to be a numbers game down the road.

    The more people we have that own guns the better.

    I guarantee that old Obama hasn't been on the gun control express lately because of the sheer volume of guns, ammo, reloading supplies, and anything else related to guns that has been sold in the last 4 to 5 months.


    Isn't this human nature? Most people react instead of prepare for things. The writing was on the wall for a good year before Obama got into office, that is why my brother and I both got our "black rifles" last summer before the price jumped. I also got a WHOLE LOT of ammo at the lowest price it has been for a year, and plenty of magazines and other gun related items we wanted before the "panic buying" set in.

    I'm not trying to rub it in, and I will wait eagerly for the return of decent prices, but this is what happens when demand is up.
     
  4. Titan6

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    I don't think most people have thought of prayer. I do think beseeching your god is a fine idea but probably won't net the result you are looking for; it rarely does when you do it for selfish reasons.
     
  5. Bearhands

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    I have actually had the notion that the public has been arming themselves in the event they should HAVE to use their second amendment rights for the reason it was written. The more folks that buy guns are more likely to fight for the right to keep them, hopefully in a peaceful way.
     
  6. Sixtigers

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    I think CamSlam hit it on the head. I understand your frustration, but more legal gun owners is always going to be good for us.

    This too, shall pass. Many people are predicting much second-hand ammo on the market in the coming years, and possibly great deals on firearms as those who "panicked" sell off their surplus. Think about those good times to come!
     
  7. f4t9r

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    We will see what happens in the future. Lots of guns will be for sale or prices will go even higher. It has been frustrating to the people who have seen the prices jump way up or the ones that have always gone to the gun show
    only to find it so packed you can hardly move.
    Stay tuned to see what happens next !!!!
     
  8. Phydeaux642

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    No, not my biggest problem. It's just the latest straw.

    True. I prepared as much as my finances would allow so I wouldn't have to take part in the panic. And, up to this point I haven't taken part in the panic.

    Not really a prayer so much as that primal scream. At least I'm not raising up a prayer asking for a Lear Jet.
     
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  9. catspa

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    Easy, bud.

    It's cyclical. People do funny things when they're scared, and often don't make good decisions. But you're sitting pretty well, seems to me.

    You're not afraid of some scumbag kicking in your door tonight and raping your wife after he stabs you in front of her. Me neither. Some men might be, but you and I have already been prudent enough to get some guns and learn to use them.

    You don't have to eat dry beans and rice tonight because you're desperately searching for any gun you can buy with the grocery money. Me neither. Some men might have to, but you and I have already been prudent enough to get some guns and learn to use them.

    You got a pistol handy? Me, there's one on the desk right now. Any time I want, I can pick it up and look it over, turn it to the light, admire the skill of the maker in fitting all those itty bitty parts together into a useful tool - it calms my mind. I can marvel how this machine enables me to chamber a round and send it in any necessary direction for less than 20 cents. Some men cannot do this, but you and I have already been prudent enough to get some guns and learn to use them.

    So cheer up, my friend, you and I can count our blessings together. And I just saw a Lyman 310 tool on Peebay.

    Parker
     
  10. model of 1905

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    If they can raise the tax on cigarettes 10.00 a carton to help pay for the stimulus, what do you think is coming next. (That takes effect 4/01/2009).
    I'm stocking up on smokes and ammo and non-perishables. If that bothers you, well, sorry. If the SHTF and the economy turns into a barter/trade scenario you...
    1) better have something to barter/trade
    2) have something to protect what you have to barter/trade.
     
  11. Tinpig

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    I agree with Phydeaux.

    Those "in the know" say Obama's election will create a shortage of guns and ammo.
    People buy guns and ammo in a panic........
    thus creating a percieved shortage of guns and ammo.

    Perfect examples of the sheeple mentality and the self-fulfilling phrophecy.

    Tinpig
     
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    A month ago, I bought a Springfield MilSpec for $350. That was a stinkin' good deal. Last weekend, I bought a Remington 11 (Browning Auto5 clone) in 20ga for $195. That was a true find. Today, I bought an uber-clean HiStandard Sentinel Imperial 22LR 9 shot revolver for $175. That was a passable deal.

    (And, yes - I am selling other guns to finance these. I am not made of cash...)

    My point is that there are PLENTY of deals out there - lots of fun and interesting guns to be experienced. All you have to do is go out and find 'em.

    Of course, if all you're looking for are ARs and AKs - yes, you'll find few deals left.
     
  13. Phydeaux642

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    No, the deals I've been looking for are for wheelguns. I used to find smokin' deals. Now everything is much higher than even six months ago and nobody is willing to deal (at least in my area). I had a guy at a shop tell me tonight that there was no way he would come down on any price of any used gun. Like I said, I can deal with that at the moment. It's the other stuff that has me on the outs.
     
  14. Prince Yamato

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    I'll side with you; I'm sick of the panic buying crap too. Good deals can be found on certain guns but not on more mainstream AWs, like the AK and AR. Ammo prices are through the roof as well. I call the ammo price increase "the second wave." During the first wave, everyone panic bought AWs, a couple months later they went, "oh, duh, I need ammo" and now they're buying all the ammo.

    It's more than just the "waited too long crowd" that's bumping up prices. It's many dealers as well who, hoping to get extra profit, are telling everyone that, "soon x,y, and z will all be illegal!"

    To compound matters, many gun owners (or at least a portion of this forum) like to retort, "that's capitalism." I contest that however, as I feel we've moved beyond mere capitalism and are now in the profiteering stages. Capitalism is fine, profiteering is morally wrong. There's also matters of gluttony and greed to be dealt with.
     
  15. MountainBear

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    You know man, if no one else is going to call you on this, I will. This is the second thread of this type where you have been borderline rude telling people that their frustrations with the gun hoarders are unreasonable.

    If you people have the right to hoard ammo for the next zombie apocalypse, we have the right to be frustrated with you over it. So you calm down.

    That is definately a true statement, but how many people are going to get into shooting, buy a gun, then realize they can't find ammo, get frustrated and quit. Yeah, we all may find some killer gun deals, but we'll also have a bunch of disenfranchised former gun owners who no longer have a personal stake in protecting our 2nd ammendment rights.
     
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    Not very many if you ask me. Few people buy guns for the novelty of owning them. Many will buy guns and not shoot very often, but they are hardly going to get frustrated and "quit". What is it they are quitting?

    I have guns that my grandpa was shooting 60 years ago. He was a dentist, hardly a gun nut, shot occassionally, and they got passed down to my dad, my brother, and me.

    I'm not worried at all, let's keep the general populace buying as many guns as they can, because the more support we have the better. While it would be wonderful if everyone was shooting 100 rounds a week for practice, that is never going to happen. Those that like to shoot more frequently it is tough on right now, (myself included), but the price is worth it for me, to have more guns, ammo, and accessories being placed in the hands of Americans.
     
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    Keep calling and digging, there are still guns out there. Took me a week, but I found a new nicely equipped S&W M&P15 for $950...all considering, not bad for this market. I paid a 100 bucks less for a Bushmaster 5 years ago.

    Of course, there are still gougers out there...one guy was asking $1500 plus tax for the same gun I bought plus rear BUIS.
     
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    Keep patrolling and keep an eye out. There are finds still there to be found at decent pricing online and in various shops.

    I developed a 6 month shoot chart showing how many rounds wife and I will shoot each month to stay fresh with markmanship and make a small supply of ammuntion last 6 months without the need for panic buying or emptying shelves.

    This spending total about half of my own pocket money outside of the family budget and still making a profit each month on the cash flow. So Im happy, wife is happy and everyone all around gets to enjoy being financially stimulated from time to time each month.

    I think my state of contentment will last until about the 5th month when the patrolling for more ammuntion for the next 6 months starts all over again.

    :cool:
     
  19. MountainBear

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    I see your argument and respectfully disagree. People buying guns is a good thing, I think most of us agree with that. I think that people are buying them as a novelty (thats a broad term in this case). This is the video game crowd. Your parents and mine taught us to respect guns and that they were a part of our history to be continued through our families. But people coming out of families like that are not really new, they are a continuation of their upbringing and would probably support the second amendment even before or if they couldn't own guns. The video game crowd (broad term for another major group of new gunowners) buy them because they see them on video games, or news, or movies and buy them cause they think its cool (or some other reason). As long as they get the proper training, I'm happy to see them into our fold. But take this. A guy buys a .40 Glock because he sees Tommy Lee Jones with one in the movies. The gunstore owner rightfully tells him its also good to defend his home and family. He buys the gun and sees a box of .40 and gets those too (lucky bugger, I haven't seen .40 in two months). He shoots them to get familiar with his gun. So he goes to buy more. But wait, none to be had. So it goes in the drawer. He doesn't train with it, he doesn't connect with it. He doesn't bother learning more about his 2nd amendment rights or anything else in our culture.
    Suddenly he needs some money and thinks well, I'll just sell the Glock. I can't shoot it anyway. So one of us gets a good deal on it, cool. But he no longer has a personal connection to the 2nd amendment so next time he goes to vote, maybe he votes for a D rated candidate rather than an A rated candidate (either party, doesn't really matter) because it no longer matters. to him.
    Could this happen? Certainly, I do not think my argument has been unreasonable or far-fetched. Could it happen another way? Certainly.

    Sorry this reply got long winded and may be hard to follow, I'm tired and I may be rambling.
     
  20. Bubba613

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    It's all a government conspiracy.
     
  21. Hungry Seagull

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    MountainBear, you may not be too far off the mark.


    "...need cash, sell the gun cannot use it..." oh well.

    What happens when America Needs Cash? Who sells this Country? Anyone?
     
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    What do you mean, "when"?

    As for the original post, today's panic buyers are tomorrow's panic sellers. Houses, stocks, guns, it's all the same thing--swarms who buy high, sell low.

    In a little while, you'll be smirking about all the great deals you got by taking stuff off people's hands at bargain rates.
     
  23. Hungry Seagull

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    Nathanael_Greene, no smirking here. No Sir. We are to be humble and enjoy the things that we are allowed to have in this life.

    Let's see.... Some percentage of the people buying thier guns turn around and resell them to pay the grocery bill or gas money 5 months from now. Inflation sets in, society breaks down, more panic buying as the people realize that they make a mistake selling off weapon for quick cash in first place.

    How is the USA suppose to get a grip and stay steady when tossed about in this storm financially? Even Congress swore that there is a dire problem and they need money now.

    what was that commercial? Oh yes... "I need money NOW!"

    Cash is going to be King and it's going to hurt us all when the Firearms Industry from the Factory all the way down to the small gunshop no longer knows what to do or expect from the ebb and flow of this... panic during the year.
     
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    Might take advantage of some good deals, sure. Better that than they take them to a police gun buy-back.

    I'd gladly forgo a good deal or two if it means more new (see my above definition of new) shooters stay involved and we have more people fighting to protect our 2nd amendment rights.
     
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    I guess I have to comment - popular or not !

    I don't look at this as an oppertunity to get frustrated and whine about it. While there are shortages at the moment , I consider that a tempory thing, and at the end ,we have more voters who are pro 2nd amendment.

    An oppertunity to wring out the trusty .22 rimfire and hone your basic skills until the centerfire ammo manufacturing can catch up. If you bought a truck load of ammo with the idea of making a profit - good luck .

    Like a farmer who holds onto his beans trying to hit the high price peak, you are taking a risk, and perhaps you can make some money, and perhaps you'll loose some. Either way, it's your right to try.

    I always have/keep a supply that will carry me through some period of scarcity. Not cases, but not just a couple boxes either. I will be just fine as long as I conserve on usage for awhile. If you didn't have any supply, you will struggle more to find your ammo, and pay a higher price. That's just the way it is .

    Try making a living off selling this stuff like my friend who owns the local gun shop , and then figure out what it means when you can't find anything to sell. Then. I think you will have the right to whine a bit, because your income depends on it.

    Actualy, you always have the right to whine - just might not do you any good. :D
     
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