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Pls, pls , dont bubba an original SKS or any

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by nathan, Feb 1, 2012.

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  1. nathan

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  2. OARNGESI

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    Why does it matter what other people do to their guns? There isnt anything on that gun that cant be put back to stock in 20 minutes.
     
  3. tahunua001

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    I agree with you to a point, if it's all matching numbers I wouldn't mess with it but if it's been assembled in aunt betsy's basement then there is no value to maintain in the first place. I had intended to get an enfield and convert it to 45 ACP until I bought my brother in law's SMLE with matching numbers and now I would never consider messing with it. on the other hand on the same weekend my little brother pieced together a SMLE from several stacks of parts a friend had laying around but couldn't find any matching parts or an original stock that fit so he had to settle with a synthetic sporter stock. since his gun had no value in the first place neither of us shed a tear over a sporterized model and we both enjoy shooting each others rifles. mine has the cleaner action and tamer muzzle flip and his has a more classic hunting rifle feel. the same person that had the stack of enfield parts also has a large amount of mosin parts laying around. if I can piece together a full rifle from the pieces I intend to put a boyds thumbhole sporter stock on it. if you have a gun with no matching numbers on it, by all means slap on that plastic bullpup kit or pistol grip stock but if it has any collectors value at all then I agree with the OP, keep it classic, it might just put your great grand kids through college.
     
  4. Davek1977

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    My money, my choice as to whats done with the gun. Good luck telling me...or anyone else...any different. My SKS no longer has an original stock, because I found it to be quite uncomfortable. Why does making my gun more 'shootable" at least from my standpoint, have anything to do with you? There's only a few billion sks's out there, and while mine has increased in value since I bought it for $100 years ago, its NEVER going to be a highly sought after collectors piece, and furthermore, the odds of me selling it are slim to none. I'll do what I want with such a rifle, thank you. You are free to do what you will with yours, but to take it upon yourself to admonish others for doing what they want to their own possessions is out of line.
     
  5. tahunua001

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    wow! some people are touchy about random interweb opinions.
     
  6. Davek1977

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    I just dont see what business it is of anyone's what people do to their personal property. I don't tell you how to bed your wife, don't tell me how to modify (or not) my gun!
     
  7. Abel

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    Every time someone bubba-fies an original milsurp, it increases the value by some fraction of a %. I would think that this would be good for collectors? Anyway, how much harm could you possibly do to some greasy old mil-surp? I mean, they're begging me to saw them into pieces!
     
  8. Salmoneye

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    So you switch out some parts, and change the stock?

    It takes 10 minutes to put it back to 'original'...

    I don't get the issue...
     
  9. fatcat4620

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    Can I mod at least one mosin to take PSL mags?
     
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    I will start off by saying that I look at it like this. It's you gun, do as you wish.

    But I do tell people that they should always do a little homework before they cut up, or as some will say, soprterize a gun. Just to make sure that they are not messing up something that is collectable.

    I have seen some so called collectors do more harm to milsurps then Bubba.
    I have seen where a collectable rifle was parted out to sale because, the parts would bering more money then the complete rifle.

    There are many that like to tinker with guns. Some turn old surplus rifles into very nice sporters and some just chop them up. But when it comes down to it, it's their gun and can do as they wish.
    Most often when someone makes a sporter from a milsurp, they spend more money on the projuct then they could ever sell it for. But then it is not always about how much it cost, but the amount of joy they get from working on something.

    I like to restore old military rifles.
    Here is a $75 rifle.
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    Here is a $225 rifle.
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    The thing is, they are the same rifle.

    Here is a Finn marked 1916 Remingtom M91. As is it is, worth $200.
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    Problem is, the stock was sanded, poly applied and cut at the rear band. And missing the handguard.
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    Here it is in a correct, two piece, Finn stock. Worth $350 now.
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    Sometimes it cost me more to restore one then what it will be worth when I finish, but for me it's the joy of restoring these old guns that makes it worth it.

    So if you agree or disagerr with the OP, there is no reason to be rude. We all love guns but not always in the same way.
     
  12. kaferhaus

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    99% of the milsurps out there have zero collector value to begin with. The vast majority of them are not "accurate" by today's standards and serve little practical purpose other than as plinking guns. Nothing wrong with that, I like to plink as much as the next guy.

    To me, they have almost no value in any configuration. It's your rifle, do what you like with it. The SKS with an as issued wood stock, sucks from a ergonomics standpoint. As does the AK. The various Mausers and Mosin Nagants out there kick like a mule due to poor stock design as well. The vast majority of them are 3" guns at 100M if you're lucky. But then again, for most of them 3" groups at 100M was within issue specs..

    When they were "cheap" I thought it worthwhile to own a few.... but as the importers paid an average 20-30 bucks each for most of these guns, and there's absolutely no shortage of most any of them the prices folks are demanding for them is about crazy.

    Everyone spends their money differently as is their right. I for one am not going to take a $90 (New Norinco) SKS and put a couple hundred bucks into it. Or pay $300 for a used one. Or pay anything for a Mosin... which in my opinion is about the worst designed bolt gun put out in the past 120yrs. Reliable as hell but useless.
     
  13. nwilliams

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    I don't care if people Bubba their milsurps as long as they plan to keep them.

    What I do mind is when I stumble across as Bubba'd milsurp at the gun shop, it's so depressing. My feeling is that if you are going to Bubba a milsurp that you might end up selling down then road then PLEASE keep all the original parts so that the next owner can make it proper again!
     
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    I personally just enjoy working on them more than I enjoy shooting these old rifles. As a result, I tend to buy C&R rifles not for any collector value but rather quite the opposite. I enjoy shopping around for something that has very little collector value at all, so that I won't feel bad when I hit the wood with a bit of sandpaper. I've got some I fixed up that I probably wouldn't want to shoot anyways because of some moderately deep pitting in the barrel and I personally don't know how much pitting it takes before the rifle becomes "unsafe". Now, that said, I don't tend to work them over into "tacticool" configurations, but I do enjoy working over the wood (which does require some sanding), touching up some of the bluing, polishing certain surfaces, and the like. For me, it's a relatively simple refinishing project that doesn't require a lot of $$$ and is a great change of pace from my normal, long hours office job.

    I've redone a handful of these rifles now... maybe one of these days I'll actually shoot one of them. :p
     
  15. Grunt

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    Like I always say, it's your money, do as you want. However, I remember once upon a long forgotten time that Krags, Springfields and Mausers were a dime a dozen as well. The same thing about how they were made by the millions and would never be valuable was said back then too. Ever look at prices of unmolested rifles these days? Even the lowly uncollectable Mosin-Nagants have gained value over the years. I bought my M44 a few years ago for $75 and today they are around $200+. My 91/30 was bought for $50 and today the lowest price I have seen has been $99+. Then again, I have no problems with bubba chopping up an old mil-surp. For every bubba-fied mil-surp out there, the value of my original rifles goes up!:evil:
     
  16. Freedom_fighter_in_IL

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    Uhhh, I wonder if those mosin prices have more to do with inflation rather than actual collectible value. Krags, Springers, and Mausers are still easily found fairly cheap as well. Now unmolested, numbers matching, still in good condition ones are pretty healthily priced as well they should be. But in all reality, how many of those were actually out there in the first place? Arsenals commonly replaced barrels, cracked stocks, and whatever else ailed the battle rifle upon entry. So right there goes everyones "matching numbers" dream.

    Some of you folks need to come to reality when it comes to true collectible rifles. Yes "Bubba" has messed up a lot of really nice rifles BUT there have been many true beauties created from the K98's Krags, Springers, and many more battle rifles. Old saying, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder". While a very few of you people may find a well done sporterized of an old milsurp to be sacrilege, many many more of us find the task, as long as it was well done, to be a compliment to the firearm itself. They are no longer used in war, they are no longer useful other than to make a valuable (to the person doing it) hunting rifle. While yes it can be, and more often than not is, more expensive than buying say a Savage 110 or something, I personally get a ton more satisfaction out of BUILDING my rifle from a dead and never to be used again K98 or an old Enfield.

    In closing, you mind your business and I'll mind mine. Don't try to tell me what I can and can not do with MY property. Thanks and have a great day.
     
  17. elephant_man

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    Where are YOU finding 'original, milsurp' AK47s? And bubba'd ones at that?
     
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    If it makes the owner happy, who gives a crap either way? You give me a nagant or any other gun at a price i can afford, im going to project it...you give Gunny there a project gun and hes going to project it again LOL (and turn it out as a realy nice piece at that).
     
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    I'll do what I want to with them. Some I will customize, some I won't. I buy guns to shoot them, not sell them. I will set them up how I like to shoot them. Sometimes I will buy one to keep original and one to customize. I have an M-1 carbine that was my grandfather's, and it's all original. I also have his 1917 Enfield that was already customized, so I'm going to re-work it a bit. He would want it to be carried and shot and enjoyed, not preserved and worshiped.
     
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    I generally do what I wish with my guns and i'm not concerned with what anyone thinks about it. I will however comment if someone is planning to try something that I didn't care for or didn't work for me. Just in case they hadn't thought about that aspect.

    Often people buy milsurps to fill a need they weren't designed for because it's cheaper to make it work.
     
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    First rifle I bought was a full wood short barreled triple nickel 03-A3.
    I think I got it for $80 at a gun store.. long time ago. Got it to sling 220's at griz. That never happened but what did happen was I hacksawed off a couple bands or so and some wood. Sanded, stained and waxed too. Still got that rifle. It's my most prized possession.
     
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    You wanna tell me what to do with my SKS? or my Mosin Nagant? Let me kindly invite you to take a hike. If I want to put my SKS in a Tapco stock, I'll do it. If I want to put a holographic site on an original Colt SAA, I'll do that too. If I want to put a Floyd Rose in a `59 Les Paul and paint it with neon colors, or put blue neon lights all over a 1917 Harley-Davidson or put straight-up doors on a `59 Cadillac convertible, I'm the only one I have to answer to.

    Yeah, ya caught me late at night when I'm grouchy and I couldn't let this elitist crap go unanswered. Don't mean to offend, but frankly the notion that I'm not allowed to modify something I own for the sake of somebody else's idea of historical authenticity offends me.

    Oh yeah, here's one of these: :neener:
     
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    For the record, all my milsurps (M1 Garand, SKS, K31, 91/30) are in as-purchased configuration - but I keep looking at that SKS thinking I can make it better, lighter, handier.

    :D
     
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    A Floyd on a Les? DO be SERIOUS. :)
     
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    Please....... don't!
     
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