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Police Beating in New Orleans Caught on Tape

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  1. Nightfall

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    http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1198122
     
  2. insidious_calm

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    For those who are still wondering what's going on in Amerika these days I'll give you a hint, <whisper>The police are at war with the citizens.</whisper> We just aren't at war with them yet. At the rate they're going it shouldn't be long though.

    Edit to add:

    For those who don't want to believe it's really that bad, I simply ask you to look around. Look on here, look at the links to some other threads posted on here. Look at the "Us vs. Them" mentality that is RAMPANT among all LE agencies local, state, and federal. Look at the way they speak of the citizens, you and me, with sheer contempt and hatred in their voices. IMO it will continue to get worse until one day the violence eminates from both sides, not just them. They could stop it if they wanted to. They could police themselves. They won't. Nothing ever gets done unless it's on tape and they have to "sacrafice a few lambs" as it were in order to save the flock. Think about all that goes on that isn't on tape. The honest officers, few though they may be, won't do anything about it. We're hosed.


    I.C.
     
  3. Jim March

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    Man, is that department ever screwed NOW.

    Every media outlet will turn on them, all PR guns blazing.

    There is an unwritten rule to reporting that says "don't physically attack the media". They wouldn't be safe if they let that sort of thing slide. They're going to hammer that police department like nothing we've ever seen before, on every issue, for YEARS.
     
  4. Baba Louie

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    How about the Police are at war with criminal types, unsafe drivers and the occasional bystander (who may or may not have been so-innocent... I wasn't there, how am I and who am I to judge?) who is now "OBSTRUCTING JUSTICE". (Ain't that a great one to prove if you're the "innocent bystander" and it's your word against three or four "sworn" officers?)

    It does appear, however, that on the surface, that when taken as a whole, the NOPD does seem to have a bit more... er, problematic action by a few individuals (who may or may not actually be sworn officers?) than your average American City Police Department.

    Yeah, you light up a correspondent and his camera crew... you're going to be under the "scope" for a while by a lot of news crews. Not gonna be a pretty picture on the evening news, methinks.
     
  5. akluvr

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    These guys are going to have to get in line for the next investigation, sounds like. I understand the whole "these fella's are working long hours and their nerves are frayed" noise, but the first duty when you swear in is to the Constitution of the U.S.. Several years back, almost 50% of the N.O. dept. was fired, from the top down, in a huge fed investigation. It was found that the officers were being paid less than 1/2 of the national average wage for law enforcement. Bribes, drugs, and prostitution were the name of the game- all being run from cruisers and city hall, fortifying the low pay that they felt that they were receiving. I understand the whole complication of uprooting your family for a job, but I don't understand the whole "everyboby else is doing it" mentality. The first investigation should be at the mayors office and then see what the trickle down effect produces.
     
  6. Sistema1927

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    I thought that this was the High Road, not the "slam all police officers" forum.

    Yes, there are bad cops, and there are good cops who make bad calls, but recently all that I read here degenerates into a quagmire of loathing against those who wear a badge.

    I have been very, very troubled at some of the things I have read here recently, and wonder whether I would be better served finding a different community.
     
  7. waterhouse

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    I'll say two things.

    First, as much as we bash the media, I feel that this is one of its most useful purposes. They videotaped an unlawful act, at their own personal risk, and because of that some folks (who otherwise might have walked) will be punished.

    Second, although I have had the bad luck to have many run ins with police (I'm not too far out of college and we used to throw some pretty fantastic parties in a mostly residential neighborhood, plus I tend to drive faster than I should) I have had the good luck to only have met with police that believe their job is to protect and serve, who are not on an ego trip, who were most likely not bullies in high school searching to use their power.

    Do I think some cops are law breakers and liars? You bet; in the same way that some lawyers, contractors, CEOs, and firearms dealers are law breakers and liars. I wish that all of them get punished to the full extent of the law, but I'm mainly with Sistema. . .there is a lot of cop bashing here.

    As gun owners, we get upset whenever the media/brady group/gun control group lumps us in the same sentence as the Columbine kids/criminals/etc. Can we please stop doing the same to cops?

    Anyhow, I hope these guys get what's coming to them. And I hope that all the good cops out there keep their good names despite this incident.
     
  8. gunsmith

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    sometimes, some people, are just begging for it.

    I had to get physical in San Francisco to get some peace and quiet.
    the same bum , for weeks and weeks stood near my window and loudly harrassed people for money.
    I asked and asked him to leave, I asked the police for help and got none (in SF homeless loud miscreants are given carte blanche to harass working folks)
    I had to take matters into my own hands , I had to, as I couldn't afford to move.
    the only thing this jerk would respond to was violence.
    I suspect the same with the drunk the cop was dealing with.
    imho the cops mistake was getting physical with the liberal reporter.
    I say give the cop a break, it has got to be difficult and this cop stayed on the job while others left.
    i bet the smelly bum will get a settlement and get arrested for being drunk and stupid a year later having spent all the money he won in court :barf:
     
  9. EddieCoyle

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    I'm shocked! Shocked!

    Wow. Who'd've thought the N.O. police department could end up on the wrong side of the law?
     
  10. Standing Wolf

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    The article didn't explain why it was all Bush's fault. I suppose that'll be in the big analysis stories in the national "news" media tomorrow.
     
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    :rolleyes:
     
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    Oh good. More THR cop bashing. Cool.

    Right. It never happens the other way around. No sir-ee.
     
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    Molon Labe: good article.

    I've had personal and detailed encounters with genuinely crooked cops myself...and I'm not talking about the sheriffs and police chiefs selling gun permits in California, that's a "special case" that I only know about because I'm an activist.
     
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    I really liked how the oinker on horseback tried to block the cameraman from taping the incident :rolleyes:

    The assault on the reporter by the fat cop is also unacceptable.
     
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    I just saw the video on the morning news. Plus they had footage from another reporter looking down on a balcony which showed the man covered in blood, laying on the ground, getting kicked every time he tried to turn over.

    Hopefully this won't end well for the NO police department. Especially since they are failing to strongly condemn what happenned.
     
  17. Camp David

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    Every one of these "beatings" seems to reveal a central thesis: Police use brutality when the need arises, on whoever they wish...four or five police beating a 64-year old drunk means stupidity on the officer's part, nothing less. While each incident is different in certain respects, the general idea is that police can assume the brutality pose against helpless or indifferent citizens when they wish. If this were a Third World dictatorship such police tactics would be acceptable, but we are not... such police need only one thing: termination; rapid, prompt, and certain.
     
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    I can't see any justification for that beating with the odds present. At least one officer knew what was hapening was wrong or he wouldn't have tried to block the cameraman with his horse.
     
  19. Old Partner

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    The day is coming

    One of these days we are going to take back the streets from these armed thugs. And since they are so woefully outnumbered, it will be fairly short. Yes, they have radios and backup, but they are still really outnumbered. COPS SUCK!!!
     
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    Lets see what the corollary looks like:


    Sure, give the residents simple battery...
     
  21. Edmond

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    Could you imagine how many incidents aren't captured on tape? And for those victims, there is almost no proof that the cops acted unlawfully.

    There have been a lot of problems in NOPD for many years. I say they should wipe the slate clean and start over again.
     
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    I agree with your sentiment and I try hard to keep it in mind. But I think the problem is the old "one 'aw crap' nullfies one thousand 'atta boys.' " You can see and interact with lots of police and not give it much thought. But you only have to have one incident laying face down in gravel while a deputy points a Glock at you and repeatedly tells you he "WILL kill you if you do anything wrong" to lose that warm fuzzy feeling.

    It doesn't do any good to tell somebody who has experienced that that "the good cops are in the vast majority." It only takes one bad cop on his own to kill you or a member of your family! (Yes, I did have it happen to me less than 100 yards from my rural home.) The bad experience stays with you. It leads to you being very suspicious of the police. And that's certainly not helped by the infamous "circle the wagons" approach that usually happens when a citizen dares to complain about a cop's actions. Suddenly the citizen is the bad guy facing a bunch of "brother cops" plus the city plus the county plus all their attorneys. It just reinforces the "us versus them" attitude.

    I'm _trying_ to trust my local Sheriff's deparment since I know the elected Sheriff and _some_ of the Deputies are doing the best they can. But it only takes the abusive actions of one person to create a lifetime of distrust. This is why the police HAVE to be "above reproach." When they aren't, the whole system falls apart.

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  23. Telperion

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    NOPD assaulting citizens? Things must be getting back to normal in the Big Easy. :D
     
  24. Island Beretta

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    ..fur sure.. :barf:
     
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    I might buy that argument, if it weren't for all the laws they enforce which target non-violent folks like you and me. How are the gun laws in your state?

    Rick
     
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