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Police officer investigates a man with a gun (Video)

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Six, Jul 22, 2011.

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  1. Six

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    http://www.wimp.com/goodcop

    With all the negative police actions and behaviors we often see discussed related to carrying a gun, it's a good reminder that there are good ones out there.
     
  2. Obsidian

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    The officer showed good situational awareness if nothing else, but yes Its nice to see the good hitting the internet too. And it is nice to see it handled in a polite respectful manner.
     
  3. joeq

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    I thought the cop was great. I thought the guy carrying actually could have been a little friendlier. I don't see the big deal about giving his name when the cop asked for it. I'm sure he had some ID on him and just didn't want to provide it. It's too bad all officers aren't as courteous and respectful as this one.
     
  4. Bubba613

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    The guy was being somewhat obnoxious but what was obviously SOP for the cop was pretty horrifying.
     
  5. Tom488

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    What a contrast to the latest video of the officer in Ohio. As a legal CCW'er, which one would YOU rather be stopped by?
     
  6. Flopsweat

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    For the most part I'd agree. He was courteous and ended the encounter in a very positive, up-beat manner. He certainly didn't have to do that and I commend him for it.

    Handling the gun was a bad idea. Pointing it back into traffic while checking it was unsafe. Assuming he couldn't prove RAS, telling the man that he was required to provide ID or a name is a no-no, but at least he didn't press it very far. I really want to be on the officer's side here since I think he for the most part "gets it" but I'm pretty sure I saw some habits creep in there that might have been less subtly applied if he were unaware that he was being recorded.

    I think the citizen handled the situation quite well too. He did cooperate more than legally required but didn't allow (or at least encourage) the officer to push things too far. There is always the possibility that an officer could have RAS and yet choose not to tell you. I would personally have been very uncomfortable with a person I don't know (peace officer or not) handling my firearm. In the end they both gave in a little and probably both left with something positive.
     
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    I'd say the officer handled that very well. Did anyone get the name of the officer, badge number, and department? I couldn't quite it make it out given my poor hearing (give you three guesses why I have poor hearing but you'll only need one). I think it'd be great to try to send in positive feedback to his department. The handling of the firearms would make me a little nervous as well, but he was also quick to ask how the firearm functioned from the citizen instead of just hitting buttons, etc. A positive outcome for all.
     
  8. Warp

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    Props to the officer.

    The open carrier could have been less of an <removed> though. When you refuse to even identify yourself you look like you are intentionally trying to be a pain in the ass


    One thing that sticks out to me is that when the officer tells the carrier to reholster his pistol and not pull it out the carrier tells the officer that he would rather the officer put it back. Not a bad idea at all.
     
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  9. Flynt

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    Flopsweat, what is "RAS"? Thanks.
     
  10. M-Cameron

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    you know.....i watched this video.....

    then i watched the Ohio police video.......

    and that video made me so upset i had to come and watch this video again.
     
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    Here is the Officer's information:

    http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/archive/index.php/t-367728.html

    I too was very impressed with him. While I don't agree with the questioning of people open carrying, I would be fine with providing reasonable information if an LEO asked. Especially one as polite and friendly as Officer Lyons. Seems like a nice guy that knows how to act like with professional courtesy.
     
  12. Warp

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    RAS = Reasonable Articuable Suspicion

    That is the legal hurdle an officer must meet before stopping/detaining somebody. It is not a very tall hurdle.

    It is sometimes referred to as a "Terry Stop" as a result of Terry v. Ohio. Basically if an officer has a reasonable suspicion, which can be articulated, that a person has, is or is about to commit a crime they can stop the person to investigate
     
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    And he's a historian:

    http://www.amazon.com/Oceanside-Police-Department-Images-America/dp/073853112X/

    Why can't people like this pursue political careers?
     
  14. JohnF Boulder Co

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    I'd really like to say it'd be best to just be nice and introduce yourself -citizen to police officer, you'll likely see each other around, and it's generally good to be friendly and maybe even know somebody's name.
    But then again, he is a cop, and you don't want to give them anything. This isn't Smallville and everybody knows everybody else and the local cop is your neighbor and your kids go to school together.
    I was impressed that the carrier was so careful, not even naming himself unless the situation became "official" and you're required to. I don't think the carrier was being a jerk. Remember that nothing you say to police can help you! Say nothing or as little as possible. Know precisely what you're required to do, don't get chatty.

    Fumbling with it when he didn't even know if it was real, or loaded, or how it worked was pretty strange. If you're carrying, would it be better to be voluble about it and let him know precisely and carefully the status and how to handle it? Less words is generally better...
    Not handling it yourself, in front of cops is a good thing too!
     
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    +1 for the Cop
     
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    Wow! I use to live in Oceanside (in the 80's) didn't realize you could carry in Cali, at least not easily. Part of me thinks that he was fortunate to be filming, cop kinda hammed it up for the camera.
     
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    Cop was awesome. Jeremy could use some manners, IMO. The cop made it abundantly clear up front that he was not going to do any of the typical "authoritarian" cop stuff.
     
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    #1- They don't care to be part of the "ruling class".
    #2- They're smart enough to stay out of it.

    It's usually both or neither.

    Wyman
     
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    I think the open-carrier could have acted a little less like a (stubborn mule) I cant believe they just let him walk away without positively ID the guy, I certainly with the officers positive attitude would have provided with any info he asked for (to a point) Acting like that only gives the "anti's " more fuel for their fire.
    Now lets see if that cop can get elected as Attorney general or at least have a seat on the supreme court !!
     
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    Good stuff. While Jeremy wasn't required by law to give his name at that point, I don't see the harm in giving the officer your name or telling him whether it's a real gun or air-soft. Legally you don't have to hold the door for someone behind you, but you do it to be polite. A little common courtesy can go a long way.

    Nice to see a cop on the Internet being supportive of peoples rights.

    Shawn
     
  22. M-Cameron

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    i agree...

    however, its also not possible to end up in a handcuffs for holding the door too open for the guy behind you....
     
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    We have folks trolling for PD lawsuits in WI, who carry the same attitude as "Jerry". It's really getting old.

    Good cop. Probably was a great Marine. Excellent job officer. Thank You for the example.
     
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    What an awesome LEO. He was being so courteous it made me think the guy with the camera was a jerk looking for footage.
     
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    I have been stopped by police and had fair, courteous treatment, but in the states in which I have lived, giving cognizance to police was required if asked. I must say this appears a little foreign to me, being used to having to carry ID.
     
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