Poll on teachers carrying guns

[TexasRifleman]

I know I am going to piss some one off with this statement but Guns are not the only soluition out there.

But they ARE a solution in some cases, and the deterrent factor has been shown to work.

So, one more trick in the bag won't hurt right?

Keeping law abiding teachers from having one more choice in a bad situation is wrong, regardless of how you spin it.

Speaking of spin... you do a good job here:

Back to my orginal point 90% of teachers are liberals and think guns are the cause to all the crime in the world. So more than likely they would not carry anyways.

No factual basis to that at all and, as we've said, that 10 percent might be enough. My wife is a teacher, has her Texas CHL, a really nice stainless Ladysmith, and a lock box in the car since she can't carry it into the school. She'd carry into class in a heartbeat if it wasn't illegal.

Doesn't matter that 90% won't carry, even if you could back up your statistics. If 10% did you'd have an awful lot of protection options available and THAT is the point. Options.

Why not admit that you have no legitimate argument and it just "feels wrong on a gut level". At least we could have honest debate then. Because that's all this is, a "my gut says it's a bad idea" kind of thing for most that are against it.

 

[silverlance]

im all for making ccw available to teachers. i am one.
but make DAMN SURE that the teachers you give ccw to aren't fricking idiots who lose their classroom keys every other day, consider the dean's office a personal classroom holding pen, and lesson planned for the last time eighteen years ago.

 

[Wynder]

but make DAMN SURE that the teachers you give ccw to aren't fricking idiots who lose their classroom keys every other day, consider the dean's office a personal classroom holding pen, and lesson planned for the last time eighteen years ago.

How do you do this? Who determines the test?

 

[Dorryn]

Really why are we even talking about it. 90% of teachers all feel the same way guns cause crime.

Are you KIDDING?

Im a dual-certified Social Studies/Special Ed. teacher. I would literally jump at the chance to concealed carry in the classroom, like I do everywhere else. I must be the 10%. By your logic, I must be defenseless because im in the minority. I must have missed that loose reading of the Constitution...

I have had my kids come home from school telling me they learned that Mexico is an island off the coast of africa. I am sorry the caliber of people teaching today is not as high as it once was.

Most parents dont know crap about their own children. They rarely enforce rules and believe the lies their children tell them. Teachers are MUCH MORE highly educated than they once were (NY requires a Masters' Degree) and yet some students still do poorly. The common factor? Parenting, and poor parenting especially. Just because some children dont learn, dont blame the teacher.

Please note: You yourself admitted your child is a compulsive liar.

I firmly believe that the only people who should be denied guns (and the right to carry them) are those who would deny others that same right. O.k. now, Chris in Va and Humorouscyclone, head over to the local LEO and turn in your firearms. I hereby deem both of you unworthy to posess firearms. Neither of you can be trusted.

I agree.

 

[Apple a Day]

You people make me want to puke, especially those talking out both sides of their colons. How can you say that you're for RKBA and then turn around and say:
*90% of teachers blame crime on guns. Really? Show me your data. While you're at it explain to me why that precludes teachers from exercising their second amendment rights.
*I had a bad experience and I am sure that some teacher would have shot me if they could have. NEWS FLASH: THEY COULD HAVE!!! Just not legally. Of course it's illegal for anyone to go around shooting people but that hasn't stopped anyone from doing it including at schools.

No one is talking about handing out guns to teachers. What percentage of citizens get a CCL? Now what percentage of teachers do you think are going to get a CCL? The same people who are ALREADY WALKING AROUND WITH A CCL that you walk around every day outside of school will be the SAME PEOPLE who may be carrying in the classroom. If you haven't been arguing against CCLs EVERYWHERE then WHY are you arguing against it in the classroom? THEY"RE THE SAME PEOPLE!!!

There's nothing keeping a teacher from walking into a school and shooting your children but the government is keeping a teacher from walking into a school and defending your children. Keep that in mind.

I'm going to quit before I really fly off the handle. Oh, and just to mention it, yes, I am a teacher who has a CCL.

 

[Hokkmike]

As a teacher of 33 years in a faculty of 32, I would say that MOST could handle ok. I suppose that it would be incumbent on the school system to train and accept volunteers from teachers to carry.

There are a few teachers I would not trust to drive me home.

Sorry, that's just the way it is.

I'll tell you what though, if an intruder walked through a school knowing many or most of the teachers were armed he/she would find him/herself in exactly the position that he intend for his victims - out gunned, with only recourse to hide or flee.

hmmmmmmmmmm......not a bad idea.

 

[JeremySmith]

I'd have absolutely zero problem with teachers being allowed to carry in school - how is it different than allowing anyone else to carry? Some of the schools around here even haved armed guards. By not allowing people to carry, any kid with idiot parents thinks they can walk right in, and take out as many innocents as possible before they take themselves out. Imagine how Columbine might have turned out id just a couple of teachers had weapons?

Nothing gets me riled up quicker than - this group of people can have guns, but this group of people can't.

 

[rino451]

I am not saying that they should be banned from carying if they feel the need.

The issue cpttango30, is that others believe just that...

ETA I'm not sure how it is today, but I'd bet back in the 80's when I was going to school, that several teachers (lil ol ladies in TX) carries a revo in their purses and more than one fella had one in their bag/briefcase...

Being an out of the closet gun guy at the lawfirm where I work, it's interesting to discover the number of people who carry illegally and many I meet are of the opinion that they've never needed the CHL in the past, so why bother with it now. The epitome of concealed means concealed, really.

 

[bensdad]

We're on the wrong track here. I believe that anyone incapable of owning and operating their own business should be denied the right to carry. Pizza deliverers carrying guns? Are you kidding me? Lawyers who lack the motivation to even start their own practice so just work for someone else? Get real!! None of these people should carry guns. They shouldn't even own them.

Let's not single out teachers as being "below the cut." We all know that anyone working in retail, save the owners, is lacking the mental and emotional capacity to carry safely.

I've known several cab drivers in my life. None of them ever had what it takes to carry a gun. Ban them.

Acheron, Cpttango30, ChrisinVa, Humorouscyclone, I'm beginning to see the light. Busboys, baggage handlers, nurses, doctors (all liberal!!), garbage collectors, photographers (sorry Oleg, turn in your guns) etc. etc. etc. None of them measure up. "Legal problems", "logistical nightmares", and other manner of chaos would ensue if these, and other, folks were allowed to carry. Ban them. Ban them all.

 

[shooter429]

I think it is a great idea that is long overdue

Instead of "gun-free zones" we need to make schools "criminal free zones." All teachers (at least in our state) will have already had a background check done. I think we should simply add a qualification requirement and have policies in place to address logistics and emergency response protocols. Simple. Otherwise, we are going to continue to have gangs running our schools, and our children will continue to suffer.

Shooter429

 

[sacp81170a]

We give teachers the responsibility of molding and educating the minds of our children. If they are not mature enough to carry a firearm responsibly, how is it that we can trust them with the minds of our children?

If I can't trust them with a gun, I sure as hell don't want to trust them with my children!

I said it and Vern said it, but I think it deserves a more in-depth discussion. If trained professionals with 4-year degrees and a certificate are still deemed incapable of controlling themselves and a fairly simple (to operate, at least) tool, why would we want them controlling our kids? Can anyone answer me that very good question? As a group, teachers are dedicated, caring people or they wouldn't be doing what they do. If we can't trust them, who can we trust?

I believe this is exactly why the antis can't stand the idea of teachers carrying guns. If this practice becomes accepted, why people would begin to think of those not responsible enough to carry a firearm safely were in fact mentally and morally inferior to those who are. Couldn't have that, right?

 

[tpaw]

I think with proper screening, training and mandatory re-training every year, it's not a bad idea. They should be made to pass the same requirements as a police officer, and know when deady physical force is warranted. Although not officially sanctioned, I already know some teachers that do carry in school. Not to mention the students!..........

 

[Aguila Blanca]

I am new and not understanding of site protocol. Perhaps I am a troll and tremendously uninformed. But I did spend 25 years in the classroom as a teacher. Forgive me for being new and weighing in on an issue that has been on my mind for quite awhile. I think it was Dwight Eisenhower who said "If everybody is thinking the same thing, then somebody is not thinking."

I think the problem is with your statement that "the rights issue may have some merit ..." (emphasis added).

Just how much merit do you suggest the rights "issue" might have? A little? A lot? Sort of not too much but not too little? If you were a teacher for 25 years, what was your subject? Did the studies leading up to your teaching degree and certification by any chance include American history, and that pesky, mouldy old Constitution thing? You know, that dusty piece of paper with a Bill of Rights on it that says "The right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."?

Would it be fair to say, then, that in your opinion the Constitution "might have some merit"?

 

[RioShooter]

Back to my orginal point 90% of teachers are liberals and think guns are the cause to all the crime in the world. So more than likely they would not carry anyways.

Please link to citation.

I can state for a fact that 3 out of 4 teachers who are next to my classroom have a Texas CHL. For some reason that 90% "fact" seems suspicious.

 

[tpaw]

Back to my orginal point 90% of teachers are liberals and think guns are the cause to all the crime in the world. So more than likely they would not carry anyways.

I know of many libeal teachers who would love to carry a gun in school. Let's face it, when it comes to protecting their own @ss, they would carry anthrax if they could............

 

[Officers'Wife]

Hi chris in va,

Frankly from the public school system teachers I've come across over the years, I'd say it's a bad idea.

If you don't feel you can trust these people with firearms WHY are you allowing your county to trust them with your kids?

Homeschooled Selena

 

[pax]

There's nothing keeping a teacher from walking into a school and shooting your children but the government is keeping a teacher from walking into a school and defending your children.

Very, very well-put.

Adding that to my quotes file, unless you object.

pax

 

[[email protected]]

How about we vote to allow parents to use their belts on these brats to straighten them out. Or, for the parents that don`t care or aren`t there anyway, how about we implement very,very strict punishments to the parents of the kids that commit these crimes. We MUST set an example to both America`s youth and America`s parents. But how can we punish the parents if the parents aren`t allowed to punish their kids?
Point is,this subject needs more attention because the "rabbit hole" goes deep. They try to blame it on the video games,T.V.,etc. but the truth of the matter is that this is OUR fault. Our society is making monsters every day by example of its self. The parents can`t whip the kids or their to messed up to care, the kids live in the most corrupt society ever and everyone`s pointing their finger at the person to their left while we watch 2 months of Anna Nicole on CNN, men marry men, world war creeps ever so much closer, and GD and nudity are on public TV. So give the teachers guns? Sure, that should fit the bill to a T. It`s OUR FAULT.





Go ahead Blast away

 

[[email protected]]

If I can't trust them with a gun, I sure as hell don't want to trust them with my children!

If you don't feel you can trust these people with firearms WHY are you allowing your county to trust them with your kids?

Why not admit that you have no legitimate argument and it just "feels wrong on a gut level". At least we could have honest debate then. Because that's all this is, a "my gut says it's a bad idea" kind of thing for most that are against it.

Why trust them? Do we have a choice? Think about that before you answer.
Wow, I can`t believe that this radical idea is even being discussed.
Gut? You know, I was going to post another comment, but this has just totally disgusted me. This , to me, is unbelievable.

 

[Henry Bowman]

Not sure of your point, Woodstock. The OP was about a teacher, who has reason to fear violence from a specific person while in her workplace, where nonteachers are already allowed to carry. This is not about child discipline.

 

[Australian Shooter]

Ever thought why psychos like Cho don't start a massacre in a police station, military base, gun shop or the local firing range? Why do they target schools? It's a simple answer that people here on this forum would know because its common sense. But the thing is, the antis lack all common sense.

 

[cpttango30]

Most parents don't know crap about their own children. They rarely enforce rules and believe the lies their children tell them. Teachers are MUCH MORE highly educated than they once were (NY requires a Masters' Degree) and yet some students still do poorly. The common factor? Parenting, and poor parenting especially. Just because some children don't learn, don't blame the teacher.

Just because you have a piece of paper does not mean you are smart.


The 90% I am basing that on my own school district. I apologize for that generalization.

The principal at my child school has two phds and should could not tell a bird form a dog.

I am very active in both of my child education. I have had to correct wrong information coming home more than a few times. I do not know if it is the teacher or the book but there was wrong information non the less.

In my area teachers and the PTO tried to stop a 7-11 from opening 2 miles away from a elementary school because if had an ABC lic. (Alcoholic Beverage Control). Yet, they were all for a porn shop opening not 1500 feet away form another elementary school.

I send my children to school to learn not for a teacher to change the world threw my child.


The teacher my daughter has this year is a NASCAR loving conservative older lady that has been teaching a lot longer than any of her other teachers. The classroom has rules and they are adhered to. My daughter has less trouble in that class.


So many today turn out little heathen monsters because they spend so much time working they feel they have to indulge their kids on everything. My daughter came home complaining because she can not take her cell phone to school with her. Now her cell phone is for when her and her brother fly to their mothers house. One girl in her class has a Samsung Blackjack that she brings to school everyday. Why does an 11 year old need a $300 cell phone? Because mommy and daddy want to buy her love.

Let me reformulate my view. I feel that schools should be a safe haven where children are allowed to learn in peace. I should not have to worry about sending my children to school in full combat gear with an AR-15 and 9mm pistol also.

I will also say that is a long ways off and there are bad people out there that just want to do harm for one reason or another. Those people will pray on the weak and the old. our children are weak because they are locked in a place with no protection. If a teacher wants to carry on campus and has obtained the paper work and can prove (CCW classes) they are competent (CCW) handling a firearm then by all means let them carry. Then again I am thought of as a crazy right wing kook. Because I say that if you harm a child you should be drug out in the woods thrown in a pit urinated on and shot in the head and chest at least three times.

Should we allow teachers to carry? YES

should we allow college students to carry on Campus? YES

 

[dvcrsn]

Last time I checked--criminals adore gun free zones--that way they have no opposition. Isreal has had a great deal of success with armed teachers and chaparones, and even if some terrorist starts shooting the place up, someone that has the tools to stop him is closer.

 

[jhco50]

I am not against teachers having guns, but I remember when my boy and older daughter were going to school in Jasper, Texas. They had corporal punishment that they abused and re-abused. There was a difference between a paddeling board and a plank with holes in it. One kid was "spanked" so hard with one of those boards that he was bleeding. Of course, the judge said the school was within their rights and were not questioned about it. I explained to the principles and teachers that if they raised the board to my kids, they would eat it.

Now give those same teachers guns and how long would it be before they shot one of the kids for fighting in the schoolyard.

 

[Thernlund]

K12 teachers, sure. Proper training and certification required, with annual re-qualification and renewal mandatory. The training regime would have to be designed by LE, not politicians. And the cert requirements should meet a fairly high standard.

College... anyone who can have a CCW can carry. Teachers and students, with the requirement that the weapon be concealed. That is, no open carry.

My two cents.


-T.