Poll: What is the next front in the RTKABA struggle?

What is the next front in the RTKABA struggle?

  • Curtailing/Revoking funding for the United Nations

    Votes: 12 12.1%

  • Broad spectrum legalization of full auto weapons

    Votes: 10 10.1%

  • A new constitutional amendment banning firearms registration

    Votes: 6 6.1%

  • A national concealed carry law

    Votes: 55 55.6%

  • OTHER (please specify)

    Votes: 16 16.2%
  • Total voters
    99
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I can see urgent and valid arguments for ALL these options. But I'm tending to agree that existing laws, like the NFA and the '86 list need to be targeted as infringements and repealed. This not only puts the opposition on the defensive, it sets a non-interventionist tempo for gun legislation. We have good momentum right now, and I think we need to make the most of it. If another VERY conservative wins the presidency in '08, and the republicans can keep the majority in both houses, I think it would be feasible to take these on.
 
I think the Castle Doctine laws will gain momentum soon. So far, 14 states have passed such laws, also known as "stand your ground law". Hopefully within the next two years, all the states will adopt laws like these. I know California, Hawaii, Illinois, New York, and Mass. are hopeless, but the chances for the rest of us look pretty good.:D Colorado is currently working on a Castle Doctine law, hopefully it gets passed.
 
California, one of the most anti- of the anti-gun states, may not have a "castle" doctrine law, but here is an excerpt from the penal code.

The occupant may use a firearm when resisting the intruder’s attempt to commit a forcible and life-threatening crime against anyone in the home provided that a reasonable person in the same or similar situation would believe that (a) the intruder intends to commit a forcible and life-threatening crime; (b) there is imminent danger of such crime being accomplished; and (c) the occupant acts under the belief that use of a firearm is necessary to save himself or herself or another from death or great bodily injury. Murder, mayhem, rape, and robbery are examples of forcible and life-threatening crimes.
 
At first I thought a national CCW would be important, but I decided no because we have the 2A which to me is the same. So I choose the ban on registration, privacy is more important. If you need to know I carry a gun, you are probably a threat to me or my liberties, whether you are a criminal or a gov employee.


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I voted other too. Honestly what great victory are you talking abou like someone else said..

AWB sunsetted and was not repealed.
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1 ) the AWB can pop back up some day. Focus on that again

2) National CCW sounds nice but what about carrying in DC or NYC??? I rather live in a gun friendly state like PA, FL or NH instead of being stuck with a national CCW program that has multiple restictions thanks to unfriendly state influences.

3) Full Auto for all??? Will never happen, and honestly the reasons explosives and Full Auto weapons were made illegal in the 30's were pretty good reasons. Instead of Mobsters shooting tommy guns you will have Crips and Bloods fighting with AKs and ARs...umm no thank you.

4) We need to stop funding the UN for more than just their stance on world gun control.

5) Registration to find out who owns what gun is good and bad. If it is used for gun grabbing its bad, if it is used to solve a murder it's good. The should have an admendment that registration will only be used for criminal investigation only. If the 2nd admendment get repealed, the info is dumped.

I do like to see some of the restrictions on foriegn guns and the 10 evil guns outlawed by clinton to be overturned.
 
"3) Full Auto for all??? Will never happen, and honestly the reasons explosives and Full Auto weapons were made illegal in the 30's were pretty good reasons. Instead of Mobsters shooting tommy guns you will have Crips and Bloods fighting with AKs and ARs...umm no thank you."

Um, they already are fighting with M16's and AK's, mostly either smuggled from Mexico or lifted directly from National Guard or police armories. I just support being able to get a full auto weapon at a reasonable price by opening the NFA registry.
 
The biggest front we face right now is creating new politically active shooters while we can. Once we have enough of those, we can pick and choose what we want from the list like kids in a candy store.

Without those, then it doesn't matter what victories we win today since they will be eliminated once we no longer have the numbers to protect them.

Look at the current anti strategies in targeting things like "toy guns" and creating astroturf groups like AHSA and AGS. These basically have two goals - to reduce the amount of people who ever develop an interest in firearms and to make sure that those who have that interest remain politically unaware.

The antis ultimately plan to choke out the "firearms culture" in this nation. That is the real battle we have to fight.
 
I predict that in a few years we will be fighting a renewed attempt to ban semi-automatic firearms. We may also see a federal attack on shall-issue laws. At best, we might get the sporting-purposes requirement relaxed administratively or even legislatively. Potentially, a favorable Supreme Court decision could wipe away a few outright prohibitions but leave “reasonable” restrictions in place.

Oh, and watch out for attempts to close the C&R “loophole.”

~G. Fink
 
I just hope that one day we could have a pro gun president.

With the stroke of the pen, he could un-do a lot of the damage done by executive order from Bush I and Clinton.

I think we are wasting our time right now trying to reopen the machine gun registry. Can you imagine what the media would do to a politician who wanted to make full automatics more available?
 
The next struggle

It won't be on the national front at the moment. The elected federal politicians in Washington D.C. have attacked all the anti gun laws they are going after for the moment.

Following the current trend, going after those last holdouts of Wisconsin and Illinois to loosen their stranglehold will be the major battles. Concessions by attrition will come from the legislatures in those handful of may-issue states.
 
Uhm...it's waaay too early for me this morning, but of the options I picked "revoke funding to the United Nations. Because there's a LOT more wrong with them than just thinking that the "little people" like us have no RIGHT to self-defense!

I too fear an even MORE restrictive CCW situation if the Feds get ahold of it. And NC is pretty rough as it is, but not as bad as some! (though wasn't there something in the bill saying that the Fed could NOT make a state's CCW more restrictive than it was?)

Hmmm....maybe if we do get national CCW, we can carry on Amtrak? Not before then since all Amtrak property falls under the Communist laws of that modern utopia, Washington DC!:rolleyes:

If I had to pick something else, I'd say either pass a nationwide law that bans employers from firing you for keeping a gun LOCKED UP in your car at work, or state-by-state CCW improvement. Get rid of stupid laws that say
-you can only carry a registered gun (Nevada, I think?)
-You can't carry in a place you have to pay admission to get into (NC and others)
-You can't carry in a place that serves alcohol, even if you don't drink at all (NC, TN, many others I think)
-And I'm not real fond of the section in NC law (and other states) that says you HAVE to inform LEO you're carrying. Maybe just trim it down to add 'in a traffic stop' or something. Otherwise, you risk some "embarassing" social situations if you obey the law to the letter......!
 
Another item on my wish list

Getting laws passed in all 50 states similar to the following Tennessee law:

39-17-1361. Execution of documents by sheriff or chief of police.

The sheriff or chief of police of the city of residence of a person purchasing any firearm, defined by the National Firearms Act, 26 U.S.C. § 5845 et seq., shall execute within fifteen (15) business days of any request all documents required to be submitted by the purchaser if the purchaser is not prohibited from possessing firearms pursuant to § 39-17-1316.
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That way people can dispense with creating trusts or LLCs to bypass the CLEO signature.
 
I have been spending some time on this topic and I think we should go for three things:MG amnesty for GI bring backs, national reciprocity, and the removal of rimfire suppressors from the NFA.

The MG amnyesty will increase the number of guns available, and allow for privately owned museums to possess post-86 guns (as the bill is currently worded), and incrementally work in our favor.

The national RP for CCW will help in the same way that Florida has become a stellar example to the rest of the country on the success of CCW. It will also help us CCW people travel without worry.

The rimfire suppressor becoming a title 1 transfer will open the door to other suppressors in the future being removed from NFA. Its the most important suppressor since we can use them to teach new shooters.
 
stevelyn, just curious: how would the removal of the "sporting purposes" clause affect the '86 full-auto ban?

Maybe I'm naive, but I don't think that, if the Democrats regain control in DC, they're going to go after guns with the same zeal as in the 1990's. After losing congress in 1994 and two presidential elections in large part because of gun control issues, I suspect they'll want to tread softly. Or not even tread at all.

I also think that we're at something of a stalemate with the anti's at the federal level: they're not likely to get any new laws passed in the near future, and we're not likely to get any repealed.

Our best option for advancing gun rights is at the state level. Once WI gets concealed carry, for example, I think the next step would be to eliminate the 48 hour waiting period on handgun purchases.
 
We have 2 more states that need a CCW law... and a few 'may issue' states that should be changed to 'shall issue'... those need to be taken care of.

We need national recognition of CCW permits just as we have with drivers licenses, I think this is possible in the fairly near future.

Castle doctrine should take off and sweep the nation, just as CCW has. The biggest battles on this one have already been fought, time will take care of the rest.

The 'No New Machine Gun' regulation needs to go. If it doesn't go soon, we'll get to the point that it's impossible to own a MG, through attrition. It's not going to be easy, but it needs to be tackled _before_ people get used to MG's being extinct. (as an aside, it will return US designs to the forefront... we're way behind in this area, since there is no civillian market for gun designers to target)

Silencers need to be removed from the NFA list... they're not firearms, and could even be looked at as a safety feature. This would be my first target on ridding us of the GCA... not nearly as politically charged as MG's.
 
We need national recognition of CCW permits just as we have with drivers licenses, I think this is possible in the fairly near future
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Yes, I believe this is possible too. The passing of the law allowing police officers to carry nationwide will help pave the way for this. That's why I was all for that law and didn't criticize it because it was just for cops. It helps set a precedent and we will make ground back incrementally just like we lost it incrementally.
 
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