So this weekend I attempted to try every combination I could think of or find online using a ruger p89 and a walther p38 - ALL of the 9mm "type" slugs failed miserably, 124 rn 115 rn, 115 tc , 105 tl. minimum to maximum charges of Bullseye, bluedot, Red dot, AA 7 ,231, etc. I was able to get halfway decent results using 158 swctl (357 mag slug) loaded at 2.7 grns of Bullseye, But no where near as good as a fmj, and the loads barely cycled the guns (sometimes not). Leading was always apparent, and after recapturing some slugs or it always looked like the rifling just washed and never took to the slug. - Also I tried some of those rainier lead safe plated bullets, and 115 fmj at 4.7 Bullseye was not as accurate as ww fmj. Any Thoughts?