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Popularity of snub nosed revolvers.

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by emilianoksa, Apr 11, 2010.

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  1. emilianoksa

    emilianoksa Member

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    I know they're still very popular, but I just wondered if there were members of this forum, who tried them, and couldn't get on with them.

    I've never had a chance to shoot one, but know they are very difficult to master.

    What is the effective range of a snub in double action for the average shooter? 5 to 10 yards?
     
  2. Nushif

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    Darned. You're looking for someone who doesn't shoot them ... 8(

    I can hit a pop can at about ... 20 yards with my fifth round after spraying up dirt all around it first and have been shooting it for about ... four months now? All DA, of course, since mine doesn't have SA.
    And let me tell you, I'm not a good shot. So they can't be all that hard to shoot. 8)
     
  3. David E

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    Why be satisfied with "average?"

    The gun can make hits on mansize targets out to 50 yds and well beyond. It's not hard, but it does require a bit of practice.

    This was at about 5 yds, starting with gun at high ready, reacting to a start signal:

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    Here's a 25 yd target casually fired double action with my Charter Arms .38 snubby. It's not especially impressive, but they're all kill shots.

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    Sorry, I didn't do any FoF training on this particular range outing......
     
  4. GRIZ22

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    What is the effective range of a snub in double action for the average shooter? 5 to 10 yards?

    That depends on the shooter and what you call average. Many LE qualification courses require some shootin at 25 yds DA so there was some criteria that needed to be met at that range for the "average" LEO. The best I have ever done DA is with a S&W 640 (DAO, 2" barrel) about a 12" group at 100 yd. I know many that can do better.

    I'd say if you can't hit center of mass on a silhouette at 25 yds (8-12" depending on the target0 you need to practice more or carry something you can shoot better.

    And let me tell you, I'm not a good shot. So they can't be all that hard to shoot.

    Nushif, it appears from your description you're meeting the criteria I stated. You may be a better shot the you think you are and are a better shot than what I've seen others deem "acceptable".
     
  5. c919

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    I'll leave it at this...

    There's nothing quite like the feel of 25 oz of cold SP101 steel in your hand to let you know that you are covered (at the range and on the street).
     
  6. Ol' KL

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    I had a chance to play around with a scandium S&W (Hammer 1.75")...loved it. It is the only gun I've ever carried that I could put in a pocket and forget is was there.

    It will bark with .357. I'm not especially offended by handgun recoil. I thought it was fine with .38s. I shot a box of 50 .357s at one sitting...all I wanted.

    It had a crimson trace on it and with a little concentration you could kill a rabbit at 15-25yrds.
     
  7. noob_shooter

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    question about those super short revolvers..

    what is the proper name... snubby?

    My question is....... The barrel is so short so how does the rifling even function well enough for the bullet to even spin to provide accuracy?
     
  8. shockwave

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    The barrel is pushed up into the opponent's face or stomach and you pull the trigger repeatedly blasting cartridges into the person's body as many times as you can.
     
  9. GRIZ22

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    My question is....... The barrel is so short so how does the rifling even function well enough for the bullet to even spin to provide accuracy?

    Yes and there is enough spin to keep the bullet stabilzed for some distance (100+ yards) depending on the bulet weight and velocity. A 148 gr target wadcutter load will show some keyholing out of a 2" at 50 yards and that's the worst I ever seen.
     
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    Just a slight bullet spin helps to stabilize bullet flight immensely over just being blasted out of a smooth bore.

    I equate a bullet coming out of a smooth bore to a pitcher throwing a knuckle ball.
     
  11. Nushif

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    The idea is to pull it out real quick and blast the guy at real short range repeatedly. They're not exactly range guns. Comparing them to a range gun is far too common.
     
  12. ChristopherG

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    The fit between the metal of the bullet--either lead or copper, if it is jacketed or plated--and the much harder steel of the barrel is very tight. As the bullet is forced into the barrel by the tremendous pressure of the explosive gasses behind it, it is swaged into the pattern of the hard rifled barrel (the high parts called lands and the low parts called grooves). Though the barrel is very short--as little as 1 7/8 inches for a classic S&W .38 'snubby'--the bullet is forced to spin at the precise rate of twist determined by the barrel, whether the barrel is 1" long or 30". All a longer barrel does is provide a longer time for the explosive gasses to propel the bullet, and thus provide greater velocity. Mechanically, a short barrel may actually be more accurate (though in practical terms this is hard to take advantage of because the sights on a snubby are so close together they are relatively imprecise).

    You don't just 'jam it in your opponent's face'. A trick (i.e., very skilled) shooter like Bob Munden can do amazing shots at 100 yards with a snubby.

    e.g.,

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_b3dAbKoJ0
     
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    I practice at 7 yards and can put all 5 in a 4" group in 2 seconds. Obviously not good but good enough. I have not tried 25 yards but believe I could get all five on a paper plate (center mass - +/- 8" to 10 ") in two seconds as well. That is good enough for me. I also believe I could hit a target/torso if I took my time out to 50 yards.
     
  14. David E

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    I'd have to see that.

    If you can shoot a 4" group at 7 yds in 2 seconds and think you can shoot an 8" group at 25 yds in 2 seconds......then you're shooting too slow at 7 yds.

    Instead of "believing" what you can do, why not go out and SEE what you can do?
     
  15. Balrog

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    I do not think it would ever occur to me to try shooting a snub nose revolver at 100 yards.
     
  16. David E

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    Next time out, give it a try. I bet you'll be surprised at how well you do !
     
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    I bought my girlfriend a model 642 for Christmas. Very nice and well-made revolver. In theory, it was the pefrect gun for her. However, try as she might, she couldn't shoot or get used to the gun. After 20 rounds her hand would begin to become sore, and after that there was no point in continuing to shoot. I even had the same problem with it. We sold it and bought her a Kahr MK9. She shoots it well and loves it dearly.
     
  18. Balrog

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    No I dont think I will. I see no point.
     
  19. David E

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    One "point" is to have fun doing it !

    Another is to open your eyes about how capable snub guns can be.

    Yet another is to expand your understanding about how these guns work at distance, if only to learn that they are much more than mere belly guns, good only for shootouts in elevators.

    Or don't. It doesn't matter to me!
     
  20. M2 Carbine

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    Don't believe everything you hear.

    First off they are not difficult to master. As shown by this young lady that within about an hour, on her FIRST DAY shooting was shooting the S&W J Frame while on the move, right, left and backpeddling, and putting all but a few shots COM. Then at 10 yards she put all 5 shots almost touching in the target's head.
    And that was the first time she had ever touched a gun.
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    5 to 10 yards effective range?:D
    How about 50 plus yards.
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    52 yards. Standing, two hands. SA As I recall there were two misses.
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    And a 3 inch barrel DA. Again a couple misses.
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    100 yards.
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    No misses with the J Frame but this was cheating, shooting while sitting down.
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  21. David E

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    the GUN can do it.........but can you do it with your gun?

    Next time out, try some long range shooting. Ideally, where you can spot your misses. Once you get dialed in, you'll surprise yourself at how well you do.

    And your name doesn't have to be Bob or Jerry.
     
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    .. Thank you, ChristopherG!
     
  23. M2 Carbine

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    You would be suprised how well these folks did when they went back to under 25 yards after I had them shooting and hitting a foot square target at 52 yards.
    After shooting COM at 50 yards, COM at 15 yards looks as big as a barn door.:D

    The target is the white square (12x12 inches).
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  24. M2 Carbine

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    Don't be so modest.
    Anyone that can put 5 shots inside 12 inches at 100 yards using a DA 2 inch revolver is a DAMNED GOOD shot in any shooting circles.

    This target is about 48 inches high, so that's about like getting all head shots at 100 yard with a 2 inch J Frame. Heck I have trouble just seeing the head.:D
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    I've had a snubbie but I just didn't care for it. Maybe it was the balance? I didn't care for that 2" barrel and the frame-heavy feel. I have always liked the look and feel of the SP101 3", but I've never owned one.
     
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