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Possible AR argument point

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by RustHunter87, Jan 28, 2013.

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  1. jamesbeat

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    Ironically, that would make them into illegal 'deceptively colored firearms' in NY...
     
  2. David White

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    This is the link for violent crime in 2012

    http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...-in-the-u.s.-2011/violent-crime/violent-crime

    This is from that site as well...


    In 2011, an estimated 14,612 persons were murdered in the United States. This was a 0.7 percent decrease from the 2010 estimate, a 14.7 percent decline from the 2007 figure, and a 10.0 percent decrease from the 2002 estimate.
    There were 4.7 murders per 100,000 inhabitants, a 1.5 percent decrease from the 2010 rate. Compared with the 2007 rate, the murder rate declined 17.4 percent, and compared with the 2002 rate, the murder rate decreased 16.8 percent. (See Tables 1 and 1A.)
    Nearly 44 percent (43.6) of murders were reported in the South, the most populous region, 21.0 percent were reported in the West, 20.6 percent were reported in the Midwest, and 14.8 percent were reported in the Northeast. (See Table 3.)

    I am still looking to find the breakdown by weapon.

    This is an interesting graphic....
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    As is this...
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  3. k_dawg

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    How ignorant does one have to be, to outright refuse to address outright lies and deceptions?

    And you think THIS is the best method to ensure our rights?
     
  4. bushmaster1313

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    Hunting could be banned under the Constitution.
     
  5. Deaf Smith

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    Dunno about the AR but years ago I took a small buck deer with my Mini-14, also in .223/5.56. 100 yard shot. Used just one shot.

    Deaf
     
  6. jamesbeat

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    But that's the problem, pushing 'sporting use' or 'hunting' is exactly what the antis do in order to divide and conquer!

    Hunting is great, and lots of Americans do it, but it's a hobby not a life or death situation (well, people gotta eat, but still).
    2A and self defense are the only arguments that will win this for us.

    Gun owners in the UK lost their right to own almost all types of firearm precisely because of the 'sporting use' argument.

    Here is how it works, and believe me I know because I was there when semiauto rifles were confiscated:

    1. Pass a law requiring firearm registration
    2. Pass a law requiring a 'good reason' to own a firearm
    3. Decide that self defense is not a 'good reason', only 'sporting use' is accepted
    4. Sit back, relax, and wait for a tragedy to happen
    5. Create public outcry over people owning dangerous weapons for 'sport' when kids are being killed with them. This also demonizes gun owners as heartless people who would rather let people die than give up their sport.
    6. Confiscate firearms by threatening gun owners into compliance by making them criminals if they don't turn in their guns.
    7. Using your list of registered firearms, find those who do not comply, kick their door in and arrest them.

    Gun confiscation by numbers. Note that number 3 is the 'sporting use' argument.
    'Sporting use' gets rid of the main valid use for a firearm, and relegates it to a piece of sporting equipment like a set of golf clubs, a baseball bat, or a pair of swimming goggles.
    The important difference is that you can't use a pair of swimming goggles to shoot up a school.

    The antis will explain that hunting is not important when it means that people will continue to shoot up schools, therefore banning hunting rifles is a small price to pay.

    QED
     
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  7. Skylerbone

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    They'll simply call hunting a blood sport and demonize it like...football. Brutish and dangerous.
     
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