Possible changes to Virginia CCW reciprocity.

[il_10]

I live very close to the NC border in VA, and am frequently in NC for various reasons. The article above notes that for the time being, NC will honor VA permits, but I'd be surprised if they continued to do so for very long, which will be a huge deal for me and many others I'm sure.

A Utah permit will cover NC, Tennessee, and Kentucky if they decide not to honor VA permits anymore, but not South Carolina; so much for vacationing in Myrtle Beach.
So with one sweeping decision based on obviously flawed logic, driving south will now be as perilous as driving north for VA residents.

Excuse me for a moment, I'm going to go re-up my VCDL membership...
:banghead:

 

[stageman]

Text of the email I sent to my State Delegate and Senator:

I strongly disagree with Mr. Herring's action on state reciprocity of Virginia's concealed handgun permit. I hope you will oppose this action in the upcoming legislative session and work to have all state permits recognized in the Commonwealth.

In the meantime, I will continue to support efforts by the NRA, Gun Owners of America, and the VCDL in their efforts to support and defend the Constitution. As for my elected representatives, my support is strongly contingent upon their stance on this issue.

Thank you for your time,

Robert Grimes

 

[AlexanderA]

So with one sweeping decision based on obviously flawed logic, driving south will now be as perilous as driving north for VA residents.

Herring's decision was obviously not a good one for gun owners, and should be opposed for that reason.

But let's not overdo the rhetoric. I don't find it "perilous" to drive in any direction unarmed. This country has not yet reached the point where it's "kill or be killed" every time you leave your house. I'd worry a lot more about traffic accidents than shootings.

 

[X-Rap]

I personally believe this is a precursor/trial balloon for upcoming Obama executive orders.
It seems that some of the criteria used in the Va. rejections is based on states treatment of domestic violence and other crimes, charged but not convicted.
Just a hunch, I'd also suggest that similar regulation changes might come from other states with sympathetic dem. govs. as a way to weaken concealed carry laws nation wide.
We'll see.

 

[il_10]

Herring's decision was obviously not a good one for gun owners, and should be opposed for that reason.

But let's not overdo the rhetoric. I don't find it "perilous" to drive in any direction unarmed. This country has not yet reached the point where it's "kill or be killed" every time you leave your house. I'd worry a lot more about traffic accidents than shootings.

I should clarify. I mean perilous in the legal sense, not perilous with regards to personal safety. Previously, I wouldn't have to consider my method of carry in states through which I regularly travel. Now, I may have to follow FOPA procedures and secure my firearms at the border, and will definitely have to ensure that I know what constitutes concealed vs. open carry, and the legalities of each without a permit, in states where it wasn't previously an issue.

 

[elwoodm]

VA. a state that has 100 counties and 4 of those counties tell the rest of the state what to do. since they only agree with maryland and west virginia they should get rid of the borders and become one big commonwealth

 

[ChuteTheMall]

This might be Gov. McAwful's bid to become Hillary's VP, and a chance for Red Herring to move up to Gov.
I moved out of VA just in time to escape this regime change.

IIRC, there is no permit needed for open carry in VA, including car carry if in plain sight.

 

[il_10]

IIRC, there is no permit needed for open carry in VA, including car carry if in plain sight.

This is partly correct. Open carry is fully legal, but as of July 2011, VA 18.2-308 was amended to allow handgun carry when "secured in a container or compartment in the vehicle" without a permit. Even without a CHP glovebox, console, or cased handgun carry is legal in a vehicle. Which bolsters my outlook that this change will not affect those entering into VA as much as it affects Virginians who will lose reciprocity in other states.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

Tennessee had formal reciprocity agreements with several states.

Tennessee also has had a policy of recognizing all valid state issued carry permit-license without a reciprocity agreement with the state in quesion.

I certainly hope Tennessee does NOT retaliate for Virginia withdrawing reciprocity. This is just petty politics.

This is just gun politics. See if the research behind this audit is ever published. I have a Tennessee Handgun Permit and I had a coworker who got a Virginia Concealed Handgun Permit; the idea it is easier to get a TN permit than a VA permit is not passing the smell test.

 

[aeriedad]

... the idea it is easier to get a TN permit than a VA permit is not passing the smell test.

This change is pretty horrible, so not defending it here...but as I understand it, VA is revoking reciprocity for states where a citizen would be denied a permit if a resident of VA, whether or not the permitting process is easier or harder in those other states. And just based on that, I too would love to see an audit of the research behind this change. Horrible.

 

[627PCFan]

Lifted this from WTOP:

He and his AG want to simply enforce the law? They're selective applying this approach and there are other laws they are choosing not to enforce (according to Wash Post Sept 5): "reverse the states policies on gay marriage, in-state tuition for illegal immigrants, and building standards for abortion clinics" in addition to "searching" for ways to expand Medicaid after the proposal was rejected by the General Assembly. So, the argument that they are simply enforcing the VA's law is thin. Why enforce this and not others? I especially like how this is decided a few weeks AFTER the general assembly elections- which signals this is purely poltical (and this would ignore the above Wash Post article offering other evidence to weaken the AG and Governors argument).

 

[22-rimfire]

What are the requirements for open carry in VA for out of state residents? My sense is that I would have carried concealed being from TN because I think it is the way to go, but with this pending change, I will be forced to do precisely what I have been generally opposed to (with exceptions) in other states.

I expect TN will revoke VA concealed carry acceptance in TN. So, it mostly hurts VA people the way I see it.

 

[BitcoinBoy]

What are the requirements for open carry in VA for out of state residents? My sense is that I would have carried concealed being from TN because I think it is the way to go, but with this pending change, I will be forced to do precisely what I have been generally opposed to (with exceptions) in other states.

No requirements. Walk into the state open carrying! Anyone and everyone of legal age.

 

[22-rimfire]

I guess it's time to break out my BFR for VA open carry. Folks will love it in my chest rig.

 

[Red Wind]

Since I have relatives that I regularly visit in Gainesville, it appears it will have to be, OC of a Glock 36 for me! A rhyme for Christmas.

 

[gun_with_a_view]

Virginia, and nearly every other state in the country, have recognized that carrying a concealed handgun is a significant responsibility that should be extended only to those who have gone through a process to prove a level of competency and responsibility.

Virginia should get down off it's high horse and first evaluate as to whether or not it's CCW law can pass a federal constitutional examination of strict scrutiny. Chances are it cannot, making the above policy an exercise in futility.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

The local page A1 headline for 24-25 Dec is
"Not Permitted: Virginia set to stop recognizing Tennessee concealed carry permits"
with opening line: "Effectice Feb. 1, 2016, Virginia will no longer recognize concealed handgun permits from 25 states...."

This affects 25 of the 30 states with a Virginia reciprocity agreement.

Oh, wouldn't it be something if this action by AG Herring of Virginia were to force a case resulting in national constitutional carry?

 

[W.E.G.]

Virginia requires that automobiles registered in VA be safety-inspected annually.

Maryland only requires an inspection at the time of purchase, and then never again.

I wonder when the Attorney General is going to ban all those unsafe Maryland-registered cars from entering Virginia?

 

[jrmiddleton425]

I may be over-simplifying a bit, but here goes nothing.

Follow the money...they want you to get a Virginia CCW, to carry in Virginia.

 

[Shovelhead]

Follow the money.
Anti-firearm Bloomberg dropped mucho dinero into McAwful's campaign for Gov.
We're seeing "Pay-Backs".
Maybe some apathetic folks will remember this and GO VOTE next Election day.

 

[CoalTrain49]

I may be over-simplifying a bit, but here goes nothing.

Follow the money...they want you to get a Virginia CCW, to carry in Virginia.

If a person goes into VA a few times a year they probably won't bother.

If they work in VA and live in some other state they will probably get the VA license but that's a two way street. Living in VA and working in another state will require the same nonsense so it's a loser any way you look at it.

Most states don't recover the full cost of their permitting process so I don't think it's a money issue. Kansas dropped permitted carry totally because of a budget crises and realized there was no good reason to even have one.

This is a politically inspired move.

 

[steelerdude99]

If a person goes into VA a few times a year they probably won't bother.

If they work in VA and live in some other state they will probably get the VA license but that's a two way street. Living in VA and working in another state will require the same nonsense so it's a loser any way you look at it.

Most states don't recover the full cost of their permitting process so I don't think it's a money issue. Kansas dropped permitted carry totally because of a budget crises and realized there was no good reason to even have one.

This is a politically inspired move.

Just as CoalTrain49 said; not much money can be gained by having them get a VA non-resident permit. It's early campaigning among progressive Northern Va democratic voters for either another AG term, lt. governor... or maybe governor.

McAwful is not permitted to be re-elected GOV. There are no term limits restricting the number of terms someone can serve as Attorney General.

chuck

 

[627PCFan]

Much like O'Malley, Herring has to have realized that the backlash for this stunt has killed is career in this state. Gun owners are like elephants, they dont forget. He might be in office for another 3 years but we wont forget next cycle.

 

[Shovelhead]

However if folks would get to the polls on Election Day, we might not be in this situation.
One hour to go and vote vs >3 years of continuing damage to our rights.
Tough choice.

 

[627PCFan]

In the last cycle the repubs kept the house in Richmond but lost the AG and Gov spot. I think turnout was decent last time for that to occur. Northern VA has a DC/MD transplant population thats hard to offset.