I read somewhere the average handgun owner shoots about 500 rounds per gun total. Think about it, if like many you have a couple dozen handguns do you really shoot 10,000 rounds out of all of them?
Possible New Colt Pythons?
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I read somewhere the average handgun owner shoots about 500 rounds per gun total. Think about it, if like many you have a couple dozen handguns do you really shoot 10,000 rounds out of all of them?
Coal Dragger
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Yeah Colt’s appears to have officially screwed the pooch on this one.
Echoes of the Remington R51..... so much hype.... so much fail.
Echoes of the Remington R51..... so much hype.... so much fail.
Uh oh, indeed. Disappointing. That's now two reports of cylinder rotation issues.
The fact that it's intermittent in both of the reports suggests that maybe the solution could be as simple as increasing the tension of the spring on the hand. I guess we'll see how this plays out.
The fact that it's intermittent in both of the reports suggests that maybe the solution could be as simple as increasing the tension of the spring on the hand. I guess we'll see how this plays out.
Coal Dragger
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Well I guess I will not be buying one of these after all.
carsten1911
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Cant speak for others of, course....but 500 rounds is NOTHING for any of my handguns. Roughly 2000 rounds per year through any of them.
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Mizar
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Why do I have the feeling that this "major screw-up" will be addressed with nothing more but a slight stoning on the hand? But it's a shame for a brand new gun, no doubt on that.
Zaydok Allen
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Yes. It might take awhile, but 10,000 per gun is an eventuality for many of us despite the number of guns we own.
Steve Milbocker
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So much for my theory that most of the R&D was done on the old ones
I like Hickok 45,he pretty much tells it like it is.absolutely... the ammo issue is a huge inconsistency in Goldenwebb’s video.. combined with his egregious gun handling just shatters his credibility..
the cylinder issue has been validated when Hickok had the problem... will be interested to find out the diagnosis... pretty bad for Colt but a sign of the times how releasing new firearms to the public for the final beta testing is the norm ...
the cylinder issue has been validated when Hickok had the problem... will be interested to find out the diagnosis... pretty bad for Colt but a sign of the times how releasing new firearms to the public for the final beta testing is the norm ...
Targa
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Yep, definitely better to let the people paying over MSRP to be the first Python owners and Colt’s beta testers to work out the glitch’s for the rest of us.
Coal Dragger
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You may be right, but it is a major screw up that so many of these new Pythons do not work. Colt’s dropped the ball.
Great, but not an average round count, just look at the number of NIB or LNIB old Pythons for sale.
Bill460
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Here is the thing. Remakes are usually always disappointing. And most NEVER live up to the quality and performance of the original. I don't care what type of gun, or who the manufacturer is. The reasons are really quite simple. You have to look at WHY the original was discontinued in the first place.
In most all cases it was due to the cost of manufacturing them. The original Colt Python was so desirable, because it's lockwork was hand fit by people who were all but of gunsmith talent. Colt could no longer charge what was required, in order to turn a profit by keeping it on the market. So, like many original firearms, it was discontinued.
Then, like clockwork, once discontinued the value of the originals began to skyrocket. Colt saw this and immediately wanted to capitalize on it. So the first thing they looked to accomplish is how to make them, and still turn a profit on them. They then redesigned the lockwork to be simpler, faster, easier, and above all CHEAPER to produce. And in the process eliminate all the hand fitting that made the gun so desirable in the first place. This is NOT a Colt Python. It is a redesigned facsimile to look like a Colt Python.
And there are obviously problems with it. Reports are coming left and right about the gun locking up, cylinders not turning, or else going out of time. And in general not operating correctly. Hickok .45 has confirmed this. As have others.
Colt would have done their customers a much better service by doing what they did with the Single Action Army, and what Marlin did with the Original Marlin Golden 39-A. Make it a special order gun, and price it to match the same quality level it had before they discontinued it. But instead they chose to cheapen the gun up enough by changing it's design in order to make it profitable enough to warrant mass production in the first place. Much like Browning did with the "new" Auto V.
It is nothing like the original. It has an Aluminum receiver, and operates totally differently than the original Auto V did. No parts interchange between the 2..... Only the name. And it still costs a ton. This "new" Python is no different. I'm not saying it was wrong for Colt to do this. It makes complete sense from a marketing standpoint. Just as it does for Browning. But it's not the same gun, and it will never be the same gun. But it will satisfy a market for these guns that has developed. And at the same time, most likely increase the value of the originals....... Assuming they ever get the thing to work right.
In most all cases it was due to the cost of manufacturing them. The original Colt Python was so desirable, because it's lockwork was hand fit by people who were all but of gunsmith talent. Colt could no longer charge what was required, in order to turn a profit by keeping it on the market. So, like many original firearms, it was discontinued.
Then, like clockwork, once discontinued the value of the originals began to skyrocket. Colt saw this and immediately wanted to capitalize on it. So the first thing they looked to accomplish is how to make them, and still turn a profit on them. They then redesigned the lockwork to be simpler, faster, easier, and above all CHEAPER to produce. And in the process eliminate all the hand fitting that made the gun so desirable in the first place. This is NOT a Colt Python. It is a redesigned facsimile to look like a Colt Python.
And there are obviously problems with it. Reports are coming left and right about the gun locking up, cylinders not turning, or else going out of time. And in general not operating correctly. Hickok .45 has confirmed this. As have others.
Colt would have done their customers a much better service by doing what they did with the Single Action Army, and what Marlin did with the Original Marlin Golden 39-A. Make it a special order gun, and price it to match the same quality level it had before they discontinued it. But instead they chose to cheapen the gun up enough by changing it's design in order to make it profitable enough to warrant mass production in the first place. Much like Browning did with the "new" Auto V.
It is nothing like the original. It has an Aluminum receiver, and operates totally differently than the original Auto V did. No parts interchange between the 2..... Only the name. And it still costs a ton. This "new" Python is no different. I'm not saying it was wrong for Colt to do this. It makes complete sense from a marketing standpoint. Just as it does for Browning. But it's not the same gun, and it will never be the same gun. But it will satisfy a market for these guns that has developed. And at the same time, most likely increase the value of the originals....... Assuming they ever get the thing to work right.
Old Dog
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So just how many of "so many of the new Pythons do not work?" You're trashing Colt in the other thread as well. Other than Hickock45 and another YouTube "reviewer," any reports coming in are anecdotal, and hardly "left and right."
Once again, one suspects that most of the guys having problems with the gun are semi-auto shooters trying to chase a non-existent reset. With Colt revolvers, you always have to let the trigger go all the way forward.
And once again, comments regurgitating what people have heard based on one YouTube video or some random comments by others with zero experience with a gun are useless.
There's more criticism of this revolver already than there are new Pythons that have been purchased. Let those who've bought one, and actually shot one, post in this forum.
Coal Dragger
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Anecdotal maybe. Statistically likely that a prominent YouTube guy and a clown got lemons while all the rest function perfectly? Probably not.
You are assuming operator error, and you may be correct, but you might not be. Either way the guns don’t seem to be user friendly, and that seems like an issue to me.
You are assuming operator error, and you may be correct, but you might not be. Either way the guns don’t seem to be user friendly, and that seems like an issue to me.
CraigC
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I don't think the new Python will "destroy" the collector market for the original but I do think it will have an effect. Availability always affects market value. Not everyone who buys a Python just has to have an original and getting a new one for half the cost will definitely appeal to some folks.
I also don't think it has anything to do with TWD either. People might buy a $500 gun because of a TV show but I seriously doubt anyone is paying several thousand for a Python because of a TV show about zombies. Although I'm sure there are a bunch of us with a pile of single actions because of John Wayne and Clint Eastwood, so who knows.
I also don't think it has anything to do with TWD either. People might buy a $500 gun because of a TV show but I seriously doubt anyone is paying several thousand for a Python because of a TV show about zombies. Although I'm sure there are a bunch of us with a pile of single actions because of John Wayne and Clint Eastwood, so who knows.
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Interesting about that issue with stoppages. I have a Colt MKIII, and it has experienced the same malfunction. From what I'm to understand, the lockworks are very similar if not identical between the MKIII and the new Python.
The new Sig P210 had zero effect on prices of the old P210s.
I suspect that the same will be true in this situation. Most of the people who wanted an original P210 and were willing and able to buy one will by an original one which means that demand will stay about constant or increase. People who are satisfied with a less expensive (and modified) new version of it weren't likely to buy one of the originals and therefore the presence of the new models didn't change the demand for the originals.
Old Dog
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I could give a rat's a$$ what effect the new Python will have on prices of the originals. I will still buy a new version and shoot the snot out of it. And yeah, if I find a new SIG P-210 -- I'll snap it up in a heartbeat as well.
Bill460
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People never really bought Colt Pythons to run a lot of rounds through them. Not then, and most likely not now. It was much the same with the Single Action Army. These guns have always had a reputation as being somewhat "delicate". And those who did shoot them a lot, usually required attention from a gunsmith to keep them in time, and such. Colt Pythons and Single Action Army's also had a rather bad reputation for small parts breakage.
People who wanted to run up high round counts on their guns bought Rugers, S&W's and the like. Yes, Colt has redesigned the lockwork on the "new" Pythons to be somewhat more robust.... Or so they say. Thus far that has not proven to be the case, with many guns already experiencing problems with cylinders not turning, going out of time, etc. If this gets improved remains to be seen. I certainly hope so. Consumers deserve better when they're shelling out $1.5K+ for a mass produced double action revolver in today's market.
Personally I would like to see it laid out, as to what someone is going to get in a $1,500.00 "new" Colt Python, they can't get in a $770.00 Ruger GP-100 Match Champion. Except at this point, the high possibility of getting a gun that doesn't work properly.
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Well, one is an ugly gun and one is not...lol
Comparing a Ruger to a Colt is like the old line of comparing a Toyota to a Mercedes or Timex to a Rolex.
Old Dog
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Yep, pretty much. Love how all these folks who never had the pleasure of owning, or even shooting, a Colt Python, talk about how they believe a Ruger is just as good or even better, than a Python.
Bill460
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Mercedes are extremely poorly rated for reliability, and Rolex keeps about the worst time in the watch business. Yet both are expensive and pretty to look at. So....... You're basically telling us if you want a double action revolver that does nothing but shoot and run properly, buy a Ruger. If you want one that's expensive and looks pretty but doesn't, buy the "new" Python...... Got it!
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