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Possible Palma rifle.

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Mustang51, Jun 29, 2013.

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  1. Mustang51

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    I've been interested in Palma and F class matches for a few years now, but was not sure about how much it might take to get into it.

    Earlier this week I glommed this Winchester 70 .308 rifle at an on-line auction.

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    Comes with a Hart barrel and OK Weber sights. I've obviously heard good things about Hart barrels, but does anyone know anything about OK Weber sights?

    Better pics when it arrives.
     
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  2. Reloadron
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    While the website for OKWEBER Incorporated isn't exactly beaming with knowledge they do mention their sights Will accept Centra, Gehmann and Anschutz irises, diopters and accessories. So they are uniform in that regard.

    I also found this little blurb:
    The merit in my experiences though limited when it comes to sights like this is the quality of the machining is what sets the good ones aside from the average less expensive.

    Enjoy that rifle! Looking real sweet and best of luck with it.

    Ron
     
  3. Howard Roark

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    OK Weber, known to competitive shooters as "Otto" doesn't make sights. He reps RPA sights which are made in England. The rear sight that you have is a RPA Trakker model and the front sight looks like 22mm RPA front sight, could be 18mm though.

    RPA makes a very good rear sight and is superior to any Redfield sight ever made. I have several of each.

    The dovetails on the receiver and barrel is for a Unertl or similar external adjustment scope.

    The rifle is late 80s - early 90s vintage Palma at it's finest. After that we started using barrel bands to mount the front sight on instead of drilling and tapping it for dovetail mount directly onto the barrel. Not to mention adjustable stocks. Palma matches are typically shot with 155 grain bullets, so the barrel should be a 1-13 twist IF it was set up to shoot international Palma. The USA doesn't have weight restrictions in our Palma matches so I as many others shoot heavier bullets- 175 gr.

    Hopefully the bore and bedding is in good shape and will be a good shooter.
     
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  4. Mustang51

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    Thanks, guys. I really appreciate the detail about this rifle.

    I bought it from an on-line auction and bid on it based on a pretty sparse description (basically Winchester model 70....308 caliber...Hart barrel...OK Weber sights.

    I got it for just under $750. Did I do OK?
     
  5. Howard Roark

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    Great price! The rear sight costs about $450. It should have a nice trigger.

    You did well.
     
  6. BullfrogKen

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    Basically everything Howard said.

    Depending on the condition, that Trakker rear sight sells for $200 - $300 dollars on the used market, about twice that new. Hopefully the bore still has lots of life.

    I'm looking at that and seeing a 70's-era vintage build, though.


    Let us know more about it when it arrives!
     
  7. jim in Anchorage

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    l would say you did good since Hart's rebarreling fee is $700. Was nice to open a thread and see a wood stock.
     
  8. Mustang51

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    Thanks, guys.

    I'll post better pics and a more complete description when it arrives.
     
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    The only way to find out about the gun's accuracy is to shoot it. Given the sight radius, you should be able to get accuracy off the bench close to what a scope would provide. I've got a 29"" Krieger barreled M70 that easily does sub-MOA groups with it's Parker-Hale sights. Keep in mind that if the throat is rough but the rest of the bore looks good, you can often restore accuracy just having the barrel set back an inch and rechambering ( and it won't cost $700 ! )
     
  10. Mustang51

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    Thanks Ed

    Can you estimate the barrel length on this one?
     
  11. Howard Roark

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    28-30" MTU straight taper.
     
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    Beautiful rifle, congrats. I've been wanting to build something similar to that for years! I don't know anything about the Weber sights, but if you don't like them, switch them for the old proven Redfield Olympic, International or Palma.

    35W
     
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    Well first off shoot it. If it doesn't do well have it recrowned with a 11 deg crown. While it is in lathe have the outside of the muzzle turned to .812 or .750 depending on current size. That will allow for a barrel band front sight.

    If you have access to a good borescope have a looksee at throat. If it is real bad and doesn't shoot after recrowning you can get the threads cut off and rechambered.
     
  14. Mustang51

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    Thanks for the estimate, Howard, that is the length I was hoping for.

    Whelen, thanks for the comment.

    Thanks, Hummer. A commenter on another forum advised he was actually at the auction (I was bidding online) and that all the rifles were in great shape. Hoping that is true of this one also.
     
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    The poster on the other forum also advised that he had gotten two target rifles at the auction and that both came with logs...one had 300 rounds through it and the other 30. Apparently the prior owner, who is deceased, was a long time Camp Perry shooter and had lost his sight about 12 years ago. That sure seems sad.
     
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    Got some more good news today. I spoke with the gun store owner who is handling the shipments for the auction house. He advised that many of the rifles from the auction came with shooting logs and some even came with brass. Whatever came to them with the rifle will be shipped with the rifle.

    He was not at his store, so he could not say whether my rifle came with brass or a log, but it might.

    I found the prior owner's obituary on line...sounded like a great American.
     
  17. USSR

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    Love those wood stocked Model 70 target rifles.:)

    Don

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    I do too. I would really like to find a Unertl target scope and compete with it in addition to the target sights. I'm not sure it makes sense, though, either financially or competition wise.

    What can you tell us about that beautiful Model 701 in the pic?
     
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    The NRA High Power Model 70 I bought used over the winter came with a log book. I wouldn't be surprised if yours did, too.
     
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    Bought it years ago online. It was made in 1968 and is a .30-06. Came with a Redfield International rear sight and a Redfield Olympic front sight.

    Great minds think alike.:) It now is wearing a 16X Unertl and will be my cast bullet target rifle.

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    The rifle arrived at my FFL and I had a chance to look it over before it started the 10 day waiting period. The barrel is a very heavy Hart 30" barrel and is in great shape. Trigger is adjustable and excellent and the action has been bedded.

    I did take the sights with me. The rear is an RPA Trakker and in great shape.

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    Glad it got to your end all safe and sound. You will love this rifle. My question is where are you that there is a 10 day wait? That is a bummer. :(

    Then too, you waited this long so only 10 more days.

    Ron
     
  23. Mustang51

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    Thanks, Ron.

    I'm in California :(
     
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    Those are nice sights. You did well.
     
  25. Howard Roark

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    I paid $275 last weekend for a Trakker that's about 65% as nice as yours. Over one full revolution it tracked within .0005 on windage and within .001 on elevation with essentially the same backlash. Very good for a RPA.
     
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