Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by BammaYankee, Aug 8, 2008.
Just a guess, but maybe the people who do use the stuff????
The latter. There are occasional batches of brass cases, but not stray rounds.
Sorry to say, but Georgia will last about three days against the Russians.
sorry meant to say ALMOST all ammo.....
Basically meant it to say that I have seen surplus brass 7.62x54R once. The coloring was off, and I didn't know it was brass until I tried to pick it up with a magnet. The range I go to has a magnet on a pole, for picking up steel casings.
I can't remember if it was Yugo, hungarian, or whatever.
If it was brass 7.62x54R it was most likely Yugoslavian. I'm not aware of any other ComBloc brass ammo.
I have seen brass cased 7.62x54R from Albania and Bulgaria, based on headstamps and www.7.62x54r.net
Still going to buy more,and stock up 'just in case'...
You obviously care enough to make the post...
Nothing wrong with wolf. Millions of AKs worldwide concur...
I don't think the situation in Georgia will affect Wolf much, if at all, but now I'm kind of glad I just took delivery of another 9 cases of Wolf 308. Works fine in my guns, YMMV.
The answer is probably not. If we can't get [Animal Brand] ammo from Russia, we'll get it from the Ukraine, Romania, Bulgaria, or any other Eastern European country.
Maybe they'll ramp up production of 5.45x39 (isn't that what they use now, the AK-74?) for a few days.
I like Wolf (especially in Soviet guns). It's the Wal-Mart of ammo. Not something to brag about to your friends but it keeps your gun warm.
It is possible that the russian military uses steel cased ammo. During WWII, the german army used it, I have some.
I tried wolf once, to save money, bad choice....that is crap ammo. If they made wolf BB's I wouldn'f use it!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am rooting for the underdog, hopefully Georga will make them pay for messing with them...
Not likely though...
I don't believe the war will last long enough for Wolf ammo to suffer supply shortages.
Every now and then, Russia has to shoot up their old ammo just like us.
Don't expect this war to be quick.
Looks like I missed a few as well; China, Finland, Greece among them.
Real quick: WOLF does NOT produce any ammo.
Their russian steel case is produced by Tula (black box) and Uly (can't spell the name and is mil. "classic"). "Bear" ammo and Monarch are made by Barnaul. Uly and Barnual definitely are ammo suplliers to the Russian .mil, I'm not sure about Tula.
At any rate, I doubt this does anything to the current supply. However, I can promise you some dealers will use this as an excuse to jack up their prices. Surplus Russian 5.45 is surplus because it's too old and short term supply is already here or on the way. Commerical Russian 5.45, 7.62 *might* see a hickup if the fighting drags on for a lenght of time and requires the factories to convert lines to mil spec production.
A war between Russia and Georgia will not be over quickly, because the US will get involved. Why? Georgia is a NATO candidate, they are an ally of the US, and the US has an enormous investment in the BTC pipeline that runs through Georgia. They're not going to let that fall to the Russians.
Wolf ammo will likely not change in price/availability. The price of oil will definitely go up, if BTC is interrupted.
The current hostilities are a BAD THING. I question the glee with which some of you speculate about how Russia will 'wipe the floor' with Georgia. It's like some sort of pornography of overwhelming state force.
That said, Georgia will probably have to let S. Ossetia and Abkhazia go (and they should), but Russia would be insane to stage a full scale invasion of Georgia, as it would force the US to defend them, resulting in World War 3.
Ha! That is great. I first heard about it on the Google News, the headline "Russia invades Georgia" really grabbed my attention too.
The US is NOT going to put significant ground forces into Georgia. We've got about 100 advisers in there, but don't expect more. There is no easy overland route to resupply US forces in Georgia, and the water route through the Black Sea would be very vulnerable. Furthermore, we need Russian compliance to supply our troops in Afghanistan.
The US is not going to get into a shooting war with the Russians in Georgia.
Can't see any need or reason to send ground troops. Cruise missiles and air strikes are more likely.
But even more likely than that is the US telling Georgia they have to give up S. Ossetia and Abkhazia. The US would only get militarily involved if the Russians overreached and took their ground forces into undisputed Georgian territory.
This actually might disrupt ammo supply, as if the US closes the firearm market to russian goods over this a lot of the inexpensive ammo will dry up.
I think the major risk to buying Russian ammo is a US ban on firearms and ammo imports as a sanction against Russia.
I've not been a big WOLF customer in the past, maybe buying a couple of cases of 9mm and a few boxes of 9x17 over the last decade as deeply discounted product was available.
The 9mm had hard primers which was good malfunction practice (gotta make lemonade out of lemons). And the 9x17 has steel cores which doesn't impress the indoor range people. All of the sudden those 'bargains' weren't.
I guarantee you I will go out of my way NOT to buy Russian products after this incursion into Georgia.
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