Right, but when the Republicans continue their screw up over the next two years, watch for a Democratic take over in 2014.
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Right, but when the Republicans continue their screw up over the next two years, watch for a Democratic take over in 2014.
Gary O
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Having lived through this before, I remember what happened last time...
Ammo and primers are getting scarce because (in part) of threads like these. Public opinion is on this issue, is vastly different than when the previous AWB passed. Not many Democrats want to touch this issue and they have more important things on the agenda now.
I am not a Democrat and am not a fan of Obama, but we are our own worst enemies when it comes to this. Gun owners cause the shortages and the price increases. If you want to blame someone for the empty shelves, blame the people buying up the supply. It is our fault the shelves are bare
Silent Bob
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Queen of Thunder nailed it. There will not be an AWB anytime soon, for two years at least worst-case. It is nothing but self-hurting us for to commence frenzied panic-buying right now.
The thing to do is join organizations that protect our gun rights if not already, stay vigilant, and let your elected politicians know that we are watching.
Dianne Feinstein is reportedly up to her usual crap and is already dreaming up the next AWB but it won't get anywhere. Democrats remember what happened to them in the House and Senate after the first AWB and they know they have Feinstein and her cronies to thank for it. Her AWB will die in committee along with several other attempts she has made since the Sunset of the first one in 2004. Most of the other dems (with the exception of Schumer, etc.) know she is a crazy witch that will cost them their job if they go along with her schemes.
The time for potential worry will be after the mid-terms in 2014 if the Dems take a majority in the House and more seats in the Senate.
Things are different now than when the first AWB passed. I remember those days as well. There was a strong anti-gun climate nationally that allowed the idiotic bill to get passed. Still, it was enough to get the citizenry fired enough up to put a majority of Republicans in the House and Senate.
Gun Ownership is much more "normal" and mainstream these days. Think of the explosion in concealed carry and even open carry since the early 1990s. More people are practicing their 2nd amen rights than ever before. Also, we have the Internet to warn us of these idiotic schemes and allows us to mobilize in advance. Gun Owners were completely blind-sided by the passing of the first AWB.
We need to remain vigilant above all else.
The thing to do is join organizations that protect our gun rights if not already, stay vigilant, and let your elected politicians know that we are watching.
Dianne Feinstein is reportedly up to her usual crap and is already dreaming up the next AWB but it won't get anywhere. Democrats remember what happened to them in the House and Senate after the first AWB and they know they have Feinstein and her cronies to thank for it. Her AWB will die in committee along with several other attempts she has made since the Sunset of the first one in 2004. Most of the other dems (with the exception of Schumer, etc.) know she is a crazy witch that will cost them their job if they go along with her schemes.
The time for potential worry will be after the mid-terms in 2014 if the Dems take a majority in the House and more seats in the Senate.
Things are different now than when the first AWB passed. I remember those days as well. There was a strong anti-gun climate nationally that allowed the idiotic bill to get passed. Still, it was enough to get the citizenry fired enough up to put a majority of Republicans in the House and Senate.
Gun Ownership is much more "normal" and mainstream these days. Think of the explosion in concealed carry and even open carry since the early 1990s. More people are practicing their 2nd amen rights than ever before. Also, we have the Internet to warn us of these idiotic schemes and allows us to mobilize in advance. Gun Owners were completely blind-sided by the passing of the first AWB.
We need to remain vigilant above all else.
theautobahn
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Apparently someone thinks it's going to happen. A few friends and I were contemplating AR builds. Got some of a receiver / parts order in a few days before the election with no problem. Went to order some additional parts the day after and were told by DSA to call back in a week. A quick check of their website today shows that prices on a bunch of items (stripped lowers, carrier assemblies, etc.) have gone up $20+.
JustinJ
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If one fears a ban i can understand buying either a whole gun, magazines or a stripped lower but other parts are extremely unlikely to become banned. I guess a collapsible stock, maybe. I find it extremely unlikely that they would ban bolts, carriers, etc.
But unfortunately for us the people buying it up do not think rationaly. they are buying out of fear and rumors. They buy up parts because they are not looking at the whole picture.
Ignition Override
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Gary O:
As for those who try to create anxiety, it's understandable that the NRA needs lobby money to fight battles in Congress.
The people who personally profit from marked up guns and ammo are anybody who can catch others' attention.
Their agenda is to create a panic.
Many of the sellers/distributors appear to be private gun owners on many gun websites. Quite a few might be on THR, with no mention of their full-time or hobby business.
As for those who try to create anxiety, it's understandable that the NRA needs lobby money to fight battles in Congress.
The people who personally profit from marked up guns and ammo are anybody who can catch others' attention.
Their agenda is to create a panic.
Many of the sellers/distributors appear to be private gun owners on many gun websites. Quite a few might be on THR, with no mention of their full-time or hobby business.
Vincent1966
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Fear? Anxiety? Wow! This president is already to doing what he wants via executive orders. Anyone on THR live in a border state (TX NM AZ CA)? I'm an FFL dealer. Have you heard of the new forms/rules we have to abide by to sell guns? Rifles of all things. The Fast & Furious debacle should have made them quiet down. It just made them realize there are OTHER ways to get things done. And lets not forget that more Supreme Court justices will probably be appointed by this president and they will no doubt "see" things his way. Just my take on it as I get my customers to fill out these new forms.
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About 15 seconds after the president was annouced a local store posted on facebook that it was time to stock up on ammo and guns. I removed them from my facebook and will not shop there. It is disgusting that some of our own help lead to this panic buying
helitack32f1
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S4, nice way to bring in something completely unrelated to guns. If I remember correctly, the pro2A votes of the SCOTAS were 5-4 decision. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that if 2 more antis are put on the court, there is reason to worry. And that is a lot worse than whether or not a corporation can donate money.
Apachedriver
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To share fact based opinions is one thing.
To start shrieking BUY BUY BUY because it's all going to end tomorrow is pretty ridiculous, childish, asinine, irresponsible, etc.
Ok, so Obama got re-elected. Just means the 2A fight continues and vigilance continues to be the word of the day for the next 4 years.
Buying everything up right this instant is not going to fix anything during the next four years. It's a panic that draws attention away from the issues. It reduces our ability to use logic when enlightening or introducing others to firearms and 2A rights.
In the heat of any battle, it's the cool heads that have a better chance of prevailing, not the panicked masses.
To start shrieking BUY BUY BUY because it's all going to end tomorrow is pretty ridiculous, childish, asinine, irresponsible, etc.
Ok, so Obama got re-elected. Just means the 2A fight continues and vigilance continues to be the word of the day for the next 4 years.
Buying everything up right this instant is not going to fix anything during the next four years. It's a panic that draws attention away from the issues. It reduces our ability to use logic when enlightening or introducing others to firearms and 2A rights.
In the heat of any battle, it's the cool heads that have a better chance of prevailing, not the panicked masses.
r1derbike
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*yawn*
Watching the ensuing hysteria from the comfort of my lazyboy. OK, I will confess to buying some X855 at bargain basement price yesterday. Been wanting some for months, and finally found some worth the money.
*yawn*
Watching the ensuing hysteria from the comfort of my lazyboy. OK, I will confess to buying some X855 at bargain basement price yesterday. Been wanting some for months, and finally found some worth the money.
*yawn*
xquercus
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I agree that Queen nailed it. The makeup of the House and Senate makes passing an AWB very impractical. Additionally, while "gun control" is certainly on the agenda of particular individual Democrats, it's taken a back seat in the national party platform. With the exception of a few specific states (we all know which ones), it's really not part of any state party platform either.
I kind of fear outing myself as a self-identified Democrat in this forum, but I'll do so anyway. While I haven't participated in any Democrat Party policy making in a few years, the last couple of caucuses I attended, nothing related to "gun control" came up -- and that was in one of the most liberal progressive districts in the country (I've since moved). There are actually quite a few Democrats who strongly value the second amendment. I'm not simply referring to those "conservative Democrats" who defend the RKBA based on "sport hunting", but there are actual Democrats who want to see our constitutional carry rights restored in all 50 states, are concerned about their state's "castle doctrine" status, want those M1s from South Korea to be allowed back into the US, and would even like to see the Hughes amendment repealed. We are clearly a very small segment, but there are enough of us that the Democratic Party can't simply be dismissed as the "gun control" party that it once arguably was.
I'm certainly not saying that we don't need to be on guard but there is just a bit to much emotional fear mongering regarding an imminent AWB threat.
I kind of fear outing myself as a self-identified Democrat in this forum, but I'll do so anyway. While I haven't participated in any Democrat Party policy making in a few years, the last couple of caucuses I attended, nothing related to "gun control" came up -- and that was in one of the most liberal progressive districts in the country (I've since moved). There are actually quite a few Democrats who strongly value the second amendment. I'm not simply referring to those "conservative Democrats" who defend the RKBA based on "sport hunting", but there are actual Democrats who want to see our constitutional carry rights restored in all 50 states, are concerned about their state's "castle doctrine" status, want those M1s from South Korea to be allowed back into the US, and would even like to see the Hughes amendment repealed. We are clearly a very small segment, but there are enough of us that the Democratic Party can't simply be dismissed as the "gun control" party that it once arguably was.
I'm certainly not saying that we don't need to be on guard but there is just a bit to much emotional fear mongering regarding an imminent AWB threat.
bowserb
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Two of the five were Scalia and Kennedy, and both of them will turn 80 during Obama's second term. You're darned right there is reason to worry.
In good fun, I assure you...
It would seem that a rocket scientist would realize that just ONE anti would swing the decision from 5-4 to 4-5, wouldn't it?
Anyways, why worry? The President doesn't make laws, the dems don't control congress, and according to "the polls" the majority of the people love guns or are decidedly indifferent. And, after Tuesday, we all now see what pretending "the polls" aren't relevant gets you, don't we?
Be vigilant, not silly. I have to buy some 9mm this weekend, ok?
It would seem that a rocket scientist would realize that just ONE anti would swing the decision from 5-4 to 4-5, wouldn't it?
Anyways, why worry? The President doesn't make laws, the dems don't control congress, and according to "the polls" the majority of the people love guns or are decidedly indifferent. And, after Tuesday, we all now see what pretending "the polls" aren't relevant gets you, don't we?
Be vigilant, not silly. I have to buy some 9mm this weekend, ok?
bowserb
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Don't worry about confessing that you're a Democrat. I have a compost bin and drive a 12 year old Subaru, waiting for a practical electric car. None of us are perfect. Relying on the Congress to keep us safe from Obama, though, may be a little like counting on the Gulf Stream to protect New York from hurricanes. The Congress didn't block the reimport of US-made M1 Garands from Korea, or put into place new rules for gun stores on the southern border states, or recommend Fast and Furious, or send BATFE to Alaska to try and grab gun stores' bound books. That was all done by "the Administration" without the Congress.
There was a book published in the early 1960's titled "You Can Trust the Communists to Do What They Say". Well, xquercus, you can trust Obama to do what he says, too. Obama promised in the second debate that he would do something about AK-47's. He is also on record saying no citizen should be allowed to own a handgun.
There are many ways to make guns and ammo hard to get: Excise taxes, increased background checks with high application fees, import duties, insurance requirements (you know that's one of his tools), mandatory training before being authorized to buy a gun...OK, I might go along with that one. The thing is, he can do all that without bothering to ask Congress.
MichaelBSC's link to the Reuters story shows that hours after the election, Obama and Hillary agreed to support the UN's gun import/export ban (OK, they're not calling it that. A pig is still a pig, though.) I don't buy Russian ammo or plan to buy Taurus or Armscor pistols, but their availability helps keep down the prices of Colt and Smith and Federal and Winchester.
In short, xquercus, we should all be afraid, very afraid. And so what if you buy an extra gun and a couple thousand rounds of ammo and a couple dozen magazines. They all store well and don't really take up much space. Besides, like many other things, once Obamacare kicks in next year, the cost of that stuff is likely to rise (or your employer will cut you back to 29 hours a week, and you won't have the money for guns and ammo.)
USAF_Vet
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I've decided to renew my NRA membership for a few reasons.
1) I never meant to let it lapse.
2) They are a very powerful lobby in DC.
3) I miss my American Rifleman magazine.
4) They are offering a free range bag that looks pretty nice, and I need a dedicated range bag.
5) Price reduced.
1) I never meant to let it lapse.
2) They are a very powerful lobby in DC.
3) I miss my American Rifleman magazine.
4) They are offering a free range bag that looks pretty nice, and I need a dedicated range bag.
5) Price reduced.
armoredman
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I went to the local WalMart the next day, and the ammo shelves were full, the rotating gun racks still had everything from Crickets to ARs on them. I saw no lines of people trying to buy... but then again, they were probably at work trying to get enough money just to buy gas, which Dear Leader stated at one time should be at least $5 a gallon, IIRC.
helitack32f1
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Alright weasel, my two anti's was in reference to the belief that there will be two appointed by Obama.
While the dems do have the senate and the presidency for now, next election is only two years away. The way things are going, we might as well lose the house just for <deleted> and giggles. It wouldn't take much.
Polls don't matter to the dems. The healthcare bill bill passed despite the fact that the majority of Americans didn't want it. Why would gun control be any different?
Now, just make sure you leave some 9mm for me!.
And no, i am not panic buying, that would take money and i have none.
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orionengnr
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prices lower after election?
Learn from history.
This is the same President whose election sparked massive buying and subsequent shortages of firearms, ammo and components. Now that he has won re-election, he has nothing to fear from the electorate.
I am concerned about what he might attempt with a number of Lame Duck Senators. The House will be our bulwark, but don't forget BFO's willingness to use Executive Orders to side-step Congress. Also, remember that United Nations Treaty? It's baaaack....
TSRA sent me this today as part of their weekly update:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/07/us-arms-treaty-un-idUSBRE8A627J20121107
He knows the value of moving quickly and can count on a complicit press to either ignore the story or to have his back.
Learn from history.
This is the same President whose election sparked massive buying and subsequent shortages of firearms, ammo and components. Now that he has won re-election, he has nothing to fear from the electorate.
I am concerned about what he might attempt with a number of Lame Duck Senators. The House will be our bulwark, but don't forget BFO's willingness to use Executive Orders to side-step Congress. Also, remember that United Nations Treaty? It's baaaack....
TSRA sent me this today as part of their weekly update:
linky-thingy...
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/07/us-arms-treaty-un-idUSBRE8A627J20121107
He knows the value of moving quickly and can count on a complicit press to either ignore the story or to have his back.
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So are you worried about what might happen soon, or what might happen in 2.5 years?
For two years after 2008 the Democrats had the House, Senate, and Presidency. Why no anti gun legislation then??
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Queen_of_Thunder
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Personally. I don't. see prices ever droping back. Too many new shooters, too many old shooters stacking it deep and inflation. Best advice I could give is to start adding one or two rounds to your stash for every round you shoot or heaven forbid you could cut back on your range time.
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