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POWDER RECALLS - - Compiled information

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by Johnny Guest, Oct 31, 2003.

  1. Johnny Guest

    Johnny Guest Moderator Emeritus

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    POWDER/COMPONENT RECALLS - - Compiled information

    This will be a compilation of WARNING ADVISORIES concerning manufacturers’ recalls of powder and other components.

    At the very apropos suggestion of C.R.Sam, I'm going to float this topic for a while.

    I’m including the first two posted recently. Any member who becomes aware of other recalls, feel free to post in this float. Please follow the format - -

    Powder manufacturer and type
    Lot number
    Link to your source of information.
    Other pertinent data.

    Thanks to all who contribute. Here are the first two entries. Hope there won't be many more.

    Accurate Arms 3100
    Lot number 12002
    http://www.accuratearms.com/
    Thanks to Mike Irwin on 25 OCT 2003

    Hodgon Lil Gun
    Lot #103080221
    http://www.hodgdon.com/news/lilgunrecall.php
    Thanks to M2HMGHB on 30 OCT 2003


    Best,
    Johnny
     
    Last edited: Nov 4, 2003
  2. HogRider

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  3. Johnny Guest

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    Sierra Loading Manual 5th Edition
    This edition is said to contain some errors.
    Details at www.sierrabullets.com
    Thanks to Rottweiler 4 NOV 2003
     
  4. Mike Irwin

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    Hogdon's website has a recall on Lil'Gun

    1 LB. CONTAINER, LOT NUMBER: 103080221


    Hodgdon Powder Company, Inc. has determined that a small number of one pound (1 lb.) containers of Hodgdon’s LIL' GUN smokeless powder may create excessive pressures in firearms when loaded in cartridges and/or shotshells using standard loading data. Such a condition, if present, may cause personal injury to the user and/or bystander and damage to the firearm. Users should immediately cease using this product and return it to Hodgdon Powder Co. as instructed below:

    RETURN OF PRODUCT AND REPLACEMENT:
    All persons in possession of Lot #103080221 of Hodgdon’s LIL’ GUN – 1 lb. containers of smokeless powder should immediately call 1-800-622-4366 (toll free) for instructions from Hodgdon’s Customer Service Dept. as to the return of this product.

    Hodgdon will send you a D.O.T. approved return shipping carton at no cost to you for use in returning the product. We will also send you a replacement product at no charge.

    You may find the lot number on the sticker on the bottom of the powder bottle.
     
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    Federal .45 Colt Ammo recall

    Noted on the J&G e-flyer:

    Federal Ammunition has announced a partial recall on some 45 Long Colt ammunition. We are not sure if J&G sold any of the recalled lot numbers, our current batch is OK, but if you have any Federal 45LC semi-wadcutter ammo number C45LCA check the lot number printed on the inside of the end flap. If it is 8J191, 8J192, 8J193, 8J194, 8J195, 8J196, 8J197, 8J198, or 8J199 DO NOT USE and call Federal at 1-800-831-0850 or 1-800-322-2342

    FYI - -
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    Alliant Unique

    Check your Alliant Unique 8 lb. containers for the lot numbers listed in the link below. A small amount of the 8 lb. lots may contain Bullseye and not Unique. :what:

    http://alliantpowder.com/recall.php
     
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    Wrong Powder In Certain Unique Containers!

    Passed along from The Firing Line H&R Forum - - -
    TFL Member bclark1 posted this one there. It is re-posted here, with our thanks:
    WHOOPS! Just noticed that Mal H already referenced this information above. oh, well, doesn't hurt to have the entire text posted here as well. Thanks, Mal.
     
  10. P95Carry

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    An ammo recall.

    AirForceShooter posted this in rifles forum - it is an ammo recall as against powder but seems like it could well be useful here too.

     
  11. pbhome71

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    AA 3100

    From Accurate Arms/Accurate powder - http://www.accuratepowder.com/consumeralert.htm


    Whoop.. sorry I didn't notice this on the top post. :(
     
  12. taliv

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    Hogdgon H-4227 recall

    buried on the last page of june 06 Handloader is this bit

    1-lb containers of lot number 10328054230

    "small number of 1-lb bottles packaged on march 31, 05 contain H-4198 instead of 4227"

    claims it would cause low-pressure unsafe condition taht could result in bullets taking up residence in the el barrelo
     
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    Accurate AA 4064 recall

    I didn't see this so I thought to post it:

    Product Recall

    Powder: AA-4064

    Lot Number: 14202 (lot number on bottom of can)

    If you have this lot number, please call:

    (800) 497-1007 or (800) 416-3006

    Source: http://www.accuratepowder.com/consumeralert.htm
     
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    Reloder 22 caution:

    Reload Precaution:
    It is a standard recommendation to reduce our listed maximum powder charge weights by 10% to establish a starting charge weight. If you have our Reloder 22, lot 25083, it's important that you follow this recommendation.

    http://www.alliantpowder.com/images/caution.gif
     
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    Vihtavuori 30-30 Winchester wrong data:

    Apparently vihtavuori-lapua has Corrected the entire page of 30-30 Winchester data:
    http://www.vihtavuori-lapua.com/download.asp

    We have updated Page 22 with corrected data for
    .30-30 Winchester.
     
  16. alan

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    Re Alliant Unique Recall

    I'm using an 8# container of the above purchased within the last year or so. Lot number on my powder is NOT one of the lots mentioned in posts here and elsewhere. Conversations with Alliant people so confirmed.

    Interestingly, and this is based on MY EXPERIENCES ONLY, I have heard stories from others, current Uniqie in 9mm Luger (9 x 19) lead bullet handloads produces chronograph readings considerably highier than were produced by older lots of Unique. I noticed this when shooting a NEW CZ 75 compared with results obtained in a Star Model 30 and a Browning HP.

    Also, the latest Lyman loading manual, it's quite a large book, shows powder charges with Unique much reduced from those listed in their 45th Edition. Seems to me that the additional velocity, close to 200 ft/sec chronographed has to come from somewhere, greater pressures, I cannot say, but the velocities came from instrument readings. Admittedly only a small sample was included and only in the one caliber mentioned. I've reduced powder cxharges from 5.2 grains of older Unique to 4.0 grains with current powder. I still get a power factor for IPSC shooting of 127, 125 in minimum for minor Caliber. A new CZ75, pehaps 500 rounds, likely less than that, functions perfectly with the above mentioned powder charges.

    Groups well, functions properly, uses LESS powder, who's to complain?
     
  17. moosehunt

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    Enough IMPORTANT info here to give a 48+ year reloader the heebie jeebies!!!

    I just checked my RL22 from which I just loaded 100 rnds of pretty much max loads. I'm OK, thankfully.

    Thanks all for the info!!!!
     
  18. alan

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    A passing thopught re propellant and ammunition recalls compared to/with recalls with other products including automobiles.

    Took quite a while, and many legislative battles to convince auto makers of the value, worth and need for vehicle recalls, as I remember. Seems to me that ammunition and propellant makers simply went ahead and took the indicated corrective action, when they found or thopught they had found problems. Funny, isn't it?
     
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    This was posted on the Alliant website recently: http://www.alliantpowder.com/safety/safetynotice.htm

    "Alliant Powder periodically reviews and tests their published reloading data to verify that our recommended recipes have not changed over time.

    During the latest review Alliant Powder discovered that Alliant Powder's Blue Dot® should not be used in the following applications:

    Blue Dot® should NOT be used in the 357 Magnum load using the 125 grain projectile (Blue Dot® recipes with heavier bullet weights as specified in Alliant Powders Reloading Guide are acceptable for use).
    Blue Dot® should NOT be used in the 41 Magnum cartridge (all bullet weights).
    Use of Blue Dot® in the above cases may cause a high pressure situation that could cause property damage and serious personal injury.

    We apologize for any inconvenience that this may cause and appreciate your understanding and cooperation in this matter."


    Hope this helps.

    Fred
     
  20. Hairballusmaximus

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    Reguarding the Blue Dot powder, if my memory is correct( I cant find the article to be 100% sure) they stated that it was for projectiles 125 grain and lighter for the 357 loads.

    Unfortunately, I read it a little too late and am having to dismantle 494 110 grain hollow points. Cases are sticking in the cylinder.
     
  21. zinzan

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    none are a problem for me as I just snort the stuff
     
  22. cliffy

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    Relax!

    Recalls generally over-react to minor defects: I've found IMR Trail Boss Cheerios within my Hodgdon Clays powder more than once. NO Big deal! These powder structures are close to the SAME burn speeds. I actually tried to remove some Cheery little O's of Oats. Then I realized that the end result meant NOTHING performancewise. BURN SPEED is the main variance twixt powders. H4350 and RL-25 are extremes of burn rate, and are NOT compatible in performance! cliffy
     
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    i remember a .44mag in 31 peices that i saw in a gun shop on display once, the caption at the bottom said "one too many +P+ super hot loads, former owner survived, still has one good eye and one good hand"
    must have been his most embarasing moment, he skipped the first rule of reloading, SAFETY!! and got caught by the physics of pressure!!

    this law of physics DOES NOT CHANGE FOR ANY REASON, EVER!!!

    if a manufacture of powder is willing to go thru the embarasment of a recall. we have the duty as responsable reloaders TO LISTEN!!!!

    a recal IS embarasing!! they have to own up to a mistake and then correct it. this is usualy expensive in terms of time money and customers.

    dont just "blow"it off when they say they have a problem, or when you find IMR anything in some other powder that you already know shouldent be there!!

    "BURN SPEED is the main variance twixt powders" is very true. and the speeds are so fast the result is a loud boom.

    according to some of my info obtained from a National arsonal (dont ask which or how i got it) WIN 231 is very similar to the powder used in .45 ACP and 9MM rounds used by our military. (this is why i wont tell where or how) but 5 grains of 231 in a .45 ACP burns in about .00012 seconds or 1.2 1/10,000 sec. resulting in about 750 fps on a 230g bullet. this is not the actual load used by the US Mil. but close.
    the 9MM with the same load of 5 grains 231 under a 115 FMJ spire point burns in .00008 sec. you will notice it is faster due to the smaller cartridge size and the pressure rises faster contributing to the faster speed of the burn as well.

    these were done with machined Quartz glass chambers much like the testing done on engines in the automotive industry, and costs about $15,000 per shot. not cheep!!

    i for one intend to keep my head (and other body parts ) functioning for the rest of my life and will heed the "opps factor" of a recall.

    oh, and i checked most of the links given here, some are not working, some are, i figure some of the recalls are over for the some not working.

    be careful !!! iv been reloading for over 35 years with no probs yet and i intend to keep it that way.
     
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    In my opinion, for whatever that might be worth, readers should pay close attention to the now and then powder and or loaded ammunition recalls, as same are NOT lightly undertaken by powder and or ammunition makers. They are serious warnings, not casual utterances of public relations flaks. Enough said.
     
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    can anyone expound on the Blue Dot caveat for the .357? and are magnum primers called for with this powder?
     

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