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Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by TheDomFather, Sep 18, 2017.

  1. gonoles_1980

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    jonb32248 Thanks, I will try that with just a bullet and case to see what I can max at.
     
  2. bds

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    Because X-Treme 100 gr bullet is RNFP profile, you'll end up with shorter length for working OAL. I use .945" OAL for TCP 738.

    2004 Alliant load data has load for 100 gr FMJ at .975" you can reference for 100 gr copper plated bullet (Since you are using RNFP bullet which will produce deeper seated bullet base at .950", I would use .3 gr below 10% reduction for start charge which comes out to 3.8 gr) - http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=182147&d=1364769070
    Power Pistol is better suited for higher velocity full power loads. Have you tried W231/HP-38 for lighter recoil loads? It is a more flexible powder to produce lighter target load with less recoil but still produce accuracy. My wife loves 2.6-2.8 gr W231/HP-38 recoil with TCP 738.

    When I did load development for X-Treme 100 gr RNFP, these W231/HP-38 loads produced less snappy recoil (I used 10/10 scale for Tula factory load):

    - 2.6 gr under 1" group (4/10 felt recoil)
    - 2.8 gr 1.25" (6/10 felt recoil)
    - 3.0 gr 1.25" (8/10 felt recoil)

    And accuracy was very acceptable too - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/380auto-x-treme-100-gr-rnfp-range-test.748320/

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  3. kerreckt

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    I used to use it a lot but use more BE86 and some others now. PP meters great and is accurate but too much flash, report, and recoil,IMHO. I have SR4756 and surplus 231 from large purchases years ago so PP has fallen out of favor for now, anyway.
     
  4. Dwb1957

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    Yeah I'm with you on the power pistol I just got a pound of be-86 to try and it looks like when I use up my power pistol I'll just stay with the be-86 for my upper end power level loads. I also got some sport pistol and I'm liking it a lot,I won't be buying any more w-231,it's better then w-231.
     
  5. gonoles_1980

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    Linux Mint that is some great information, thank you. I wonder why Alliant doesn't show the 100gr on their website. I do have 3.5 lbs of HP-38 left, I'll switch to that for my wife, she has the Berretta Pico. Maybe look at the Power Pistols for my xtreme CP 357 loads when my AA#5 runs out.
     
  6. bds

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    That would be a good plan.

    BTW, I am bds (Initials of our dogs) but I like using Linux Mint operating system (Open Source Ubuntu OS stripped down for fast performance) for our laptops/desktops instead of Windows - Power to the people!

    But you can call me whatever you like, just don't call me late for dinner. :D
     
  7. gonoles_1980

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    LOL - Sorry :). I probably should move my Windows 95 box to that OS.
     
  8. bds

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    That would be another good plan.
     
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    For pure accuracy I'll
    Take #2 or WST over anything else in just about any handgun cartridge.
     
  10. CZ9shooter

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    I use it for full power 9mm, 380, and even some 38+p loads. Works best at the top end of it's range. It gets more accurate as charges increase in my experience and it works up very nicely. It is an easy powder to work with. I have tried it in lower velocity cast loads but was unimpressed. Better powders are available for that.

    It is loud and flashy. It dont bother me much though. I find it kind of neat sometimes. See my avatar...
     
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  11. TheDomFather

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    I mean who doesnt like loud and flashy
     
  12. Toprudder

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    I really like PP in 380, 9, and 40. My personal observations are that it does not work that well at the lower end of the charge range for low pressure rounds, like 38spl and 45acp. Someone mentioned BE86 (also one of my favorite powders) and that seems to work a little better than PP at low pressure.
     
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  13. Tony k

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    I like my powders like I like my ties: the louder and flashier the better.

    Just kidding. I don't own a tie☺
     
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  14. 7mmb

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    Power Pistol was originally developed and used in factory 9mm loads. Only later did Alliant start selling it as a canister propellant. You'd be hard pressed to find a powder better suited for 9mm. It will work fine in 45 Auto but I think the lower pressure cartridge does better with a faster powder. Power Pistol is louder and has more flash than some other powders but I started my reloading career with H110 in 357 Magnum so it doesn't seem too bad to me.
     
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  15. bds

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    I am sorry but I do not recall seeing Blazer/CCI/Federal/Speer 9mm ammunition with Power Pistol muzzle flash as long as I have been shooting since the 80's.

    Paul from Alliant (Now working for Vista Outdoor) posted that BE-86 was the powder with flash suppressant used for factory ammunition for 30 years and recently released to the public as canister powder - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/be-86.760289/page-7#post-9652697
     
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  16. Toprudder

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    Power Pistol was originally known as BE84 and I suspect was around before BE86 was used by ammo manufacturers. Could be that it was used in factory ammo more than 30 years ago? I dunno.
     
  17. Alliant Reloading

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    Bullseye(R) 84/85/86 were developed in the '80's, so they have been around more or less the same time. The "newcomer" to the series is BE-88FS which I developed in the early '90's and is slower burning than BE-84/Power Pistol(R).
    Hey, nice pickup on the Sport Pistol(TM) Dwp1957! We are receiving great feedback on that new powder so far, so I feel good about hitting the market we targeted.
    Shoot well,
    Paul
     
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  18. bds

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    I am glad BE-86 was released to the market as I consider it the modern "Unique" that meters well. In our mega-thread, BE-86 has shown flexibility to produce accurate loads in various calibers and for me, has surpassed previous accurate reference loads using other powders especially for 9mm and 40S&W.

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    For decades, I recommended W231/HP-38 as well metering powder standard that metered with less than .1 gr variance. As you can see from comparison pictures above, Sport Pistol is like N320 cut thinner with more consistency and has metered with less than .05 gr variance for me. This is the smallest powder charge drop variance I have gotten.

    My initial work up with Sport Pistol showed using similar powder charges as W231/HP-38 and if Alliant was targeting N320/Titegroup/W231/HP-38 users of match shooting, I would say you achieved your goal. With RMR 9mm 115 gr FMJ and 4.8 gr of Sport Pistol producing very promising 10 shot 25 yard groups, I look forward to further testing with 124 gr FN bullet - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/new-alliant-sport-pistol.816514/page-5#post-10598431
     
  19. Alex Leyton

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    I like this powder in .357 Magnums and most revolvers but not with .45ACP or with heavy projectiles in >4.5" barrel autoloaders. It's pressure curve is steeper than it needs to be and it's burn rate is too fast in those applications. You'll get more MV and it'll be much less snappy to handle with a slower powder.
     
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  20. Toprudder

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    So is Sport Pistol aka BE-88?
     
  21. Alliant Reloading

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    Goodness no.
    BE-88FS is nominally 40%NG and slower burning than Power Pistol. Sport Pistol is low NG and fast burning.
    BE-88FS is not available to handloaders anyway.
     
  22. bds

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    Paul, as you know, I am a big fan of Promo with same burn rate as Red Dot and my current powder of choice for 9mm/45ACP lighter recoil plinking/range practice loads that have shown very acceptable accuracy - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...omo-reloading-range-test.578444/#post-9415802

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    Promo is also becoming my 9mm carbine load powder of choice - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/700x-one-pound-later.825599/#post-10629316

    I am able to meter Promo with .2 gr variance but is there any possibility that formulation can be made with smaller flake size for better metering?

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  23. Toprudder

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    Ok, I was just curious. I had never seen BE-88FS referenced anywhere before.
     
  24. ArchAngelCD

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    I want to thank Paul for keeping us informed about Alliant powders.

    I like Alliant powders but where I live they are not easily available. The Northeast of PA is IMR country so I use Hodgdon/IMR/Winchester powders. Western powders, Nobel powders and VV powders aren't available either.
     
  25. bds

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    Powder Valley, Recob's Target Shop and plenty of other vendors have Alliant powders like Promo at $112 for 8 lbs and with free/discounted HazMat on promotions.

    Since last year, none of local stores carried new Alliant Sport Pistol but I got it from Powder Valley before anyone else. Even with shipping, final delivered cost was lower.
     
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