PPQ M2 22lr vs M&P 22lr Compact

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  1. LeftyRed

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    Anyone had either of these pistols that can provide some hands on feedback?

    I have a G44, wanting to add another “trainer” sized 22lr for cheap range use. And both of these have airsoft clones of them. So allows me to sit in the basement and shoot at the cats when I am too lazy to get the the range.

    I’m leaning towards the M&P since I have the EZ9. Have shot both at the range and both are pretty equal. Both have around the same cost for extra magazine and I can get sights to match my EDC for either as well. Really looking at longevity and reliability with either.

    What isn’t a factor, for me, is suppressing them. But both come in threaded barrel version too, so they are equal there too.
     
  2. Destructo6

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    The MP 22 Compact is 30% smaller than the standard MP 9mm, so it's not going to be a nearly identical, save caliber, trainer.

    Mine has been perfectly reliable with standard ammo. Being smaller, it fits my kids' and wife's hands well, but not mine, so much.

    I have no experience with the others listed.
     
  3. Jim Watson

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    I have a Plastic M&P Compact .22. It is been 100% with MiniMags and has been reliable with most others since a few hundred rounds of "break in."
    I bought it because it is US made and had better reviews than the Umarex full size gun; but apparently those got better before being discontinued.

    I have handled but not shot a PPQ .22. It has a superior trigger.

    People are waiting on and snapping up the Sig P322 to get its 20 round magazine, I have not seen one in person.
     
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  4. BreechFace

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    I have a Walther PPQ .22 threaded version and it is a superb pistol. A different level of quality from the P22 of Walther. It is very reliable, suppressed and unsuppressed, with the great Walther ergos and trigger.

    I don't have any experience with the M&P 22.
     
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  5. 2ndtimer

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    I have the S&W M&P 22 Compact, and have been very pleased with it. Incredibly lightweight and sufficiently accurate, it has been extremely reliable with almost every type ammo I have tried in it, with the sole exception being Winchester (which I swore off years ago). Far superior to the older Walther P22 I sold off that was only okay with CCI MiniMags.
     
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  6. LeftyRed

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    Yeah, the PPQ M2 22lr is a far cry from the PP2.

    The M&P22 Compact shares the same frame as the EZ line, which I have. So it’s a better trainer for me than the PPQ M2. But man that PPQ is nice!
     
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    I've got the M&P 22 compact. It's a great pistol. But I must admit, the second I can get a Sig p322, I'm selling my M&P to purchase one.
     
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    I have had several PPQ 22s, and have been pleased with them. They are virtually identical with the 9mm versions just lighter. Trigger probably not as good as 9mm versions, but are not actually a true Walther product as they are built in the Arnsburg Germany factory owned and operated by Umerex, (and just stamps the Walther name on it as they own Walther) which makes many of the 22lr versions for many Brand name Gun manufacturers. Quality from this Arnsburg factory is spotty. Anything made in the Ulm factory is the original Walther factory and supplies the 9mm and up caliber for LE and military contracts for Walther around the world. Umerex also tries to confuse buyers now by manufacturing much of a firearm in Arnburg toy plant then doing a final assembly in the Ulm plant just to get the Ulm stamp. So do a little research before buying your latest Walther product. Virtually all current 9mm and up PPQs, PDPs and PPS's are fully made in the Ulm plant.
     
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  9. LeftyRed

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    Well, while picky up kitty litter and cat treats at Rural King I wandered over to the gun section and they actually had a MP 22 Compact in the case! Even bought a few extra cat toys I was so happy! LOL

    So I came home with the 22c and I really like it. Feels just like my EZ 380 and 9mm. Quality build for sure.
    I put a grey “splattered” frame TX22 in layaway as well. Now to find magazines for everything!

    Want to thanks everyone’s input. It helped me out.
    Be safe,
    Lefty
     
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  10. Jim Watson

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    Got a look at and a few rounds with a P322 today. Second best factory striker fired trigger pull after PPQ, natural point of aim for 1911 shooter, biggest magazine of the type. Kind of light weight but that is just part of a .22 with the profile of a 9mm.
     
  11. LeftyRed

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    I know everyone is drooling over the 322, but I’m good. if I get another trainer size, it will be a Beretta 92fs 22.
    Lefty
     
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  12. cnj

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    I have had the Walther P22 (not the same as the PPQ M2) and it was OK. It jammed a lot on anything but Minimags. It is gone. I currently have both an M&P 22c and a full-size version. Both are great shooters and have been stellar as far as reliability goes. I actually prefer the full-size but can't put my finger on "why".
     
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  13. DT Guy

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    I think the advantage of the PPQ over most other .22's out these days (Sig 322, Ruger SR22, M&P Compact) is that it doesn't have a manual safety. The others seem to be SAO pistols that would be carried in condition 1, where the PPQ looks like the typical striker-fired, trigger-blade-safety-only carry pistol.

    Am I right about that, or am I missing something?

    Larry
     
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    The PPQ 22 is also hammer fired. I don't have a problem with the safety on a 22 LR and am used to them anyway with my Ruger Standard and Browning Buckmark. The P322 is the only poly frame combat style 22 LR I am interereted in and hope to handle one soon. Good to have options for everyone's preference though.

    https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/gun-review-walther-ppq-m2-22-lr/
     
  15. DT Guy

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    Thanks for that info, I didn't realize that. Interesting that Sig, Ruger and S&W consider a thumb safety necessary on an SAO hammer-fired gun, but Walther doesn't?

    I prefer Condition 1 carry myself, but using a 'plastic' gun as a trainer for plastic guns, but changing the carry condition, seems somewhat less valuable to me.

    Larry
     
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    I am guessing Walther wanted to make the PPQ 22 as much like their centerfire PPQ as possible like Glock did with the Glock 44. The SIG/S&W/Ruger are not a copy of any of their centerfire pistols.
     
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  17. LeftyRed

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    Got the G44, M&P 22c, and TX22 out today. Couldn’t be happier with all three of them. Running CCI AR ammo, think it’s 1200fps and 40gr, and it worked great. About 600 rounds through them all, mostly the TX and Glock since I had about 7 mags for each of them. Only have two magazines for the M&P, so it was slow to load and shoot. Just wanted to get them out and broken in.

    But the M&P feels like my EZ380 and 9mm and shot great. Very accurate for a trainer class pistol, IMHO.
     
  18. Rodfac

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    I've had the M&P Compact 22 for six months now...around 600 rounds of a variety of .22 brands...Groups run to ~1-1/2" @ 10 yds from a Weaver Stance. It's very reliable, feeds about anything with the exception of Stingers. I have a life time supply of Federal Auto-Match that's working out great in it, but CCI Mini-Mags hold the accuracy title by a smidge. My only complaint is the trigger is still lousy. A couple glitches as you take up the slack then a reasonable let off. All in all it's a fun .22 plinker and its extremely light weight makes it a joy to tote on the belt. Best Regards, Rod
     
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    Thank Rod. Yeah the trigger isn’t anything to write home about. Wish it had a trigger like my EZs.

    Im having so much fun with the G44 and TX22 that the MP Compact might be rehomed. Shot a friend’s 92fs-22 and really liked it. But will take it on Sunday and send some more CCIs through it.
     
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