Pre 64 Model 70 300mag Lyman 2.5 Alaskan scope

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Not all Pre-64's are the same. Pre WW-2 makes it a lot more desirable and valuable than those made after the war. Unusual cartridges do too. In fact, post war guns in common cartridges are no longer that special. I'm assuming 300 H&H. That is a nice one and is probably way over my budget.
 
Not all Pre-64's are the same. Pre WW-2 makes it a lot more desirable and valuable than those made after the war. Unusual cartridges do too. In fact, post war guns in common cartridges are no longer that special. I'm assuming 300 H&H. That is a nice one and is probably way over my budget.
It only says 300 Mag ? It does have a belted barrel. The way the scope is mounted to the barrel is also rare. It states that it is a Lyman Alaskan sniper 2.5. I can not find another one like it anywhere ?
 
While the Lyman Alaskan was used of Canadian made sniper rifles in WW II and on the M-1C, the Alaskan itself was not a sniper scope but a civilian scope accepted into military service as the M81 or M82.

If that's your rifle congratulations. First it's an early and desirable pre-'64 M70 Winchester. Second, Alaskans are desirable scopes (though there are superior, modern scopes that are available) by collectors who want a scope for their M-1C.
 
It only says 300 Mag ?
As jmr40 said, it's probably a 300 H&H Mag. In fact, I'd bet good money that's what it is for a couple of reasons. First, Roy Weatherby didn't develop his 300 Weatherby Mag until 1944 (according to my "Cartridges of the World" book). And second, Winchester didn't introduce their 300 Winchester Mag until 1963. Yet (also according to my "Cartridges of the World" book) Holland & Holland introduced their great 300 H&H Mag in 1925.
Obviously, I prefer my superb 308 Norma Mag (introduced in 1960) over all of them. ;)
 
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There is nothing especially unusual about the rifle in question except that it is fine rifle and certainly worth having. The Lyman Alaskan scopes were popular on higher end hunting rifles during the pre WWII and Post WWII eras, and also standard equipment on sniper rifles during WWII.
The Stith scope mounts shown on rifle in question were quite popular on pre-WWII hunting rifles because M-70 Winchester rifle made at that time were not factory prepared for scope mounting, but the Stith mounts worked without altering the rifle by utilizing the existing rear sight dovetail slot and tapped holes on left side of receiver for aperature (peep) sight. It often resulted in an awkward arrangement, but it worked.
.300 Magnum rifles at that time were simply so marked as there were no other .300 Mags to be confused with.. Here is one of my M-70 .300 Mags, with Alaskan scope. IMG-1999 (2).jpg IMG-2001 (2).jpg IMG-2002 (2).jpg
 
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Not all Pre-64's are the same. Pre WW-2 makes it a lot more desirable and valuable than those made after the war. Unusual cartridges do too. In fact, post war guns in common cartridges are no longer that special. I'm assuming 300 H&H. That is a nice one and is probably way over my budget.[/QU
Not all Pre-64's are the same. Pre WW-2 makes it a lot more desirable and valuable than those made after the war. Unusual cartridges do too. In fact, post war guns in common cartridges are no longer that special. I'm assuming 300 H&H. That is a nice one and is probably way over my budget.
Welcome to THR, LuckyK! :)
Thank you Sir: According to my search this was the place to find out about this rifle, but I have not seen many comments ? This is the only one that I have found with the right scope for it's time mounted in the only way the rife was built for. All others had to be modified. Any way Thanks again.
 
There is nothing especially unusual about the rifle in question except that it is fine rifle and certainly worth having. The Lyman Alaskan scopes were popular on higher end hunting rifles during the pre WWII and Post WWII eras, and also standard equipment on sniper rifles during WWII.
The Stith scope mounts shown on rifle in question were quite popular on pre-WWII hunting rifles because M-70 Winchester rifle made at that time were not factory prepared for scope mounting, but the Stith mounts worked without altering the rifle by utilizing the existing rear sight dovetail slot and tapped holes on left side of receiver for aperature (peep) sight. It often resulted in an ackward arrangement, but it worked.
.300 Magnum rifles at that time were simply so marked as there were no other .300 Mags to be confused with.. Here is one of my M-70 .300 Mags, with Alaskan scope. View attachment 1088705 View attachment 1088706 View attachment 1088707
Thank you sir ! That is the king of information that I have been looking for >
 
There is nothing especially unusual about the rifle in question except that it is fine rifle and certainly worth having. The Lyman Alaskan scopes were popular on higher end hunting rifles during the pre WWII and Post WWII eras, and also standard equipment on sniper rifles during WWII.
The Stith scope mounts shown on rifle in question were quite popular on pre-WWII hunting rifles because M-70 Winchester rifle made at that time were not factory prepared for scope mounting, but the Stith mounts worked without altering the rifle by utilizing the existing rear sight dovetail slot and tapped holes on left side of receiver for aperature (peep) sight. It often resulted in an ackward arrangement, but it worked.
.300 Magnum rifles at that time were simply so marked as there were no other .300 Mags to be confused with.. Here is one of my M-70 .300 Mags, with Alaskan scope. View attachment 1088705 View attachment 1088706 View attachment 1088707

I am not at all surprised that someone had almost the same rifle and scope combo here on THR, and figured if anyone did, it would be you.

Always love seeing pieces from your collection.
 
FWIW, I have an acquaintance who sold a M70 of this vintage (in .270 Winchester) with a Lyman Alaskan about 4 years ago at auction for well over $3K.

Interior and exterior condition, factory options, scope optical quality and mounts and a wide number of other features can greatly affect desirability, and hence price. For example, the elegant scope mount on Offfhand's rifle (G&H?) would be much more desirable than those in the OPs photos.

Assuming good mechanical condition, no pitting and a decent bore, I'd guess you're talking somewhere from a low of $1500 to as much as $4-5K. It's well out of my price bracket and worth having an appraisal if the owner can get to one of the firearm auction houses. Even good photos will only tell you so much.
 
A cause for some concern regarding value of rifle shown is that the card says barrel is 24", whereas M-70 .300 Mags actually came with a 26" barrel.
 
I am not at all surprised that someone had almost the same rifle and scope combo here on THR, and figured if anyone did, it would be you.

Always love seeing pieces from your collection.
I own a small gunsmith shop here in Alabama. Being retired from law enforcement and 70 years old ,I just want to spend my years doing what I enjoy. This weapon is one of two hand me downs in this model. The other is a 22 hornet. One other gifted from a good customer is a 300 savage. A 6.5 from my dad. I have never shot any of them but all seem to be in good working order. I have no time now days for long range shooting being one of only two smiths in three counties. Having eighty plus in my collection and noone to pass to, my wife is not interested in this type of weapon wishes I would start to find them another home.. Thanks for all the help shoot straight and be safe.
 
I own a small gunsmith shop here in Alabama. Being retired from law enforcement and 70 years old ,I just want to spend my years doing what I enjoy. This weapon is one of two hand me downs in this model. The other is a 22 hornet. One other gifted from a good customer is a 300 savage. A 6.5 from my dad. I have never shot any of them but all seem to be in good working order. I have no time now days for long range shooting being one of only two smiths in three counties. Having eighty plus in my collection and noone to pass to, my wife is not interested in this type of weapon wishes I would start to find them another home.. Thanks for all the help shoot straight and be safe.

Wow, if I had the money I'd take the Hornet off your hands in a heartbeat!

If the local market isn't a good match for rifles like these, consider sending the M70s to Simpson's for consignment sales. They are good people who can advise on asking prices, and they take a lower % than most auction houses. I'm hoping they'll still be around when I hit an age when liquidating my collection becomes necessary.

https://simpsonltd.com/consignments/
 
There is nothing especially unusual about the rifle in question except that it is fine rifle and certainly worth having. The Lyman Alaskan scopes were popular on higher end hunting rifles during the pre WWII and Post WWII eras, and also standard equipment on sniper rifles during WWII.
The Stith scope mounts shown on rifle in question were quite popular on pre-WWII hunting rifles because M-70 Winchester rifle made at that time were not factory prepared for scope mounting, but the Stith mounts worked without altering the rifle by utilizing the existing rear sight dovetail slot and tapped holes on left side of receiver for aperature (peep) sight. It often resulted in an ackward arrangement, but it worked.
.300 Magnum rifles at that time were simply so marked as there were no other .300 Mags to be confused with.. Here is one of my M-70 .300 Mags, with Alaskan scope. View attachment 1088705 View attachment 1088706 View attachment 1088707
Very-Very NICE, Thanks for sharing I did not really think it was awkward but instead original. I am really no form of a collector just a love for guns and just never gotten reden of any. Been a joy Thanks !! I
 
This is a model 70 NOT M70 No M on this weapon anywhere. Thanks

Don't go there LuckyK -- before long you'll see enough arguments here about how there is no such thing as a P-17, or how shiki translates as 'type' not 'model', or that the Schmidt in Schmidt-Rubin had nothing to do with the Swiss K31 that you'll want to keep your hands clearly visible as you step slowly away from the keyboard. :)

'M' is common parlance for model. 'P' means pattern, which is British-English for model. We're all friends here.
 
Welcome to the forum!
I’m originally from Anniston, Al. My Dad from Weaver, Al. And my mom from Nightens Cross Roads area between Piedmont and Hokes Bluff.
I’m 66 so I’m sure we know a lot of the same folks.

Wonderful collection you have. Almost what I have! ...
I might look you up the next time I’m through that neck of the woods!
 
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