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Pregnant woman faces a felony after trying to bring an unloaded handgun to MN from NY

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Bubbles, Apr 1, 2013.

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  1. X-JaVeN-X

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    You do realize that not all gun owners (and I would go as far as saying the majority of gun owners) do not frequent gun forums and read law books on in depth gun laws of every state. The average gun owner here grew up shooting guns and uses them for hunting and sport. They could care less what the law in New York is. I can easily see how someone traveling at an airport for the first time would naturally call the airport and ask how to legally transport the gun. There should be a system in place that lets the person know if the state they are going to does not allow it.

    When you drive down the street, there are signs that tell you the speed limit. You don't have to go law enforcement in every state you plan to venture through and find out what the various speed limits are going to be before traveling. The road signs provide an easy outlet for that information. An airport should be able to provide the same courtesy, ESPECIALLY if it's ran by any form of government. The fact that this woman can be charged with a crime over this is despicable.
     
  2. JohnsXDM

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    I was listening to a "progressive" radio station today ( keep your friends close, keep your enemy's closer) and believe it or not he ( Ed Schwartz) could not believe this. He was talking about how they need to standardize travel laws and that this woman should NOT be charged! This from a guy who is very anti. NYC and California,,,,,,2 places nukes should be tested!
     
  3. TenDriver

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    Hopefully FOPA covers her. I can't imagine why anyone would fly into and out of LaGarbage unless they were spending some time in NYC though, possibly negating FOPA.

    In regards to everyone saying "she should have known better...", I call BS. It seems to me the Second Amendment says I can bear arms. NYC is not private property where someone can tell me my firearm is not welcome. An overly simplistic view for sure, but at some point Bloomberg has to be tried when it comes to NYC gun laws.

    I look forward to a case like this going to the Supreme Court. I hope it happens sooner rather than later.
     
  4. docnyt

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    I sincerely hope legislative groups back her up. It sounds like the right case to challenge NYC's draconian laws - military wife, pregnant, from out of state. If she shows up in court still carrying child, a jury may be persuaded to take her side.
     
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    Would this be a good case for SCOTUS?
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  6. PabloJ

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    From living there years ago one must have either "limited permit" (for range use for example) or carry permit to buy handgun in NY as state resident. I had pay fine for turning right on red (to such turns allowed in NYC and Suffolk Co.). One is responsible for following local laws as ignorance will not be acceptable defense against fine and or changes.
     
  7. Double Naught Spy

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    No, at least not any more so than any other contraband case.
     
  8. alsaqr

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    Yep, you got that right. However, ignorance of the law is not a legal excuse for breaking the law.
     
  9. Torian

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    True, however...the laws as currently written in this situation seemed designed to entangle gun owners with the slightest slip up.
     
  10. TenDriver

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    Further, the law is designed to deny a Constitutionally guaranteed right. To compare local gun laws to local traffic laws is in the same apples to oranges category as comparing vehicular accident deaths to gun deaths. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say my right to drive a vehicle shall not be infringed. At some point a case over these laws will need to go to the Supreme Court. Given the way the public has been voting lately, the sooner the better. Our window of opportunity to cement gun laws in this country closes a little each day.
     
  11. Vurtle

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    I tend to think our gun laws were cemented in place a long time ago in a document called the Bill of Rights. Any person that tries to create a law or has created a law that opposes that should be charged as a domestic terrorist.
     
  12. Bill_Shelton

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    New York City corrupts everything. From it's over-paid Baseball Team to it's money-grubbing Wall Street to it's Draconian Laws - everything NYC touches is fouled and it leaks out upon the rest of America. New York City has been a basket case for as long as I've been alive and it has gotten worse. It sucked back in the 1960's, and it sucks even more now.

    I don't do business with them. I will not go there.
     
  13. Archaic

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    I mean, I am terribly upset and disappointed that this happened to her, but REALLY? I'm more careful than that when I fly with a handgun in and out of Dallas. As gun owners we HAVE to know the law, we cannot just guess.
     
  14. Onward Allusion

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    A couple of you guys here need to get off your high horse. You know damn well who I am referring to. While some of us old-timers on this forum or other gun forums would probably be just a hair more careful, this lady DID her due diligence. It was the State's screwed up laws that made a criminal out of a law abiding citizen. NYC is a seriously F*'d up place to visit or even just passing through. I really hope that nothing like this happens to the couple of you guys on here in your lifetimes. This kind of crap makes my blood boil, especially coming from so called gun enthusiasts and 2nd Amendment believers. You have been brain washed into believing that if it is the law, then it must be right.

    One more thing about laws... They had certain laws in a certain place at a particular time in history. I bet you jokers would have followed those laws too. Think about it guys.
     
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    Got a friend who is a partner with a huge firm in NYC. She rakes in millions a year. The family has been invited numerous times to visit their estate & play with their toys. Never had the heart to tell her that we will never visit NY or NJ. Those States will never see a dime of my money.
     
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    O.K., I saw Pennsylvania in there at some point as the final destination. Which would make transiting NYC & NYS lawful under FOPA. Maybe it was on her FB page... which now appears to be unavailable.

    I'll just chalk this up to a big SHRUG.
     
  17. Midwest

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    My only two questions are.

    Why wasn't there any successful challenge to the "Sullivan Law" ?

    And how many challenges were there to the "Sullivan Law" since its inception on August 31 1911?


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sullivan_Act
     
  18. coloradokevin

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    I hate NYC. I have family there, as does my girlfriend. We went there a couple of years ago, and I got a huge ration of poop from the port authority police while trying to fly out of there with my gun (I'm LE, and thereby covered by a particular federal law that allows for nationwide CCW. I would have been arrested and charged with a felony if I wasn't -- per the officers).

    I can't believe NYC gets away with this crap. They've apparently been doing it for years. If you are visiting NYC and are not in LE, DO NOT TAKE A GUN THERE! That place is barely part of America anymore.



    Nope. And doing so is a felony. I don't have time to find it right now, but if you read through my posts you can probably find my story about encountering the port authority police when I attempted to check my gun at the counter (per normal airline procedures that apply anywhere else in the country, and exactly in line with the procedures posted by the TSA even in LaGuardia). I felt like I was treated like a criminal by fellow LE officers, and I was even told I'd have been charged with a felony if I wasn't a cop. It's ridiculous! I'm glad I wasn't arrested, but no one else should be either.

    The most ironic/pathetic part of the whole thing is that you'll have no problem getting a gun into NYC: the airport hands you your bags on the baggage carousel just like anywhere else... but when you try to take your gun back out of NYC, they take you out of line and to jail, then charge you with a crime that would strip you of your gun rights everywhere.
     
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    I guess I don't understand the thread title. Is she being charged because she is pregnant? Or is pregnancy somehow an affirmative defense? :confused:
     
  20. Manco

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    The point, as with virtually all gun control laws, is to disarm citizens in any manner that is possible, regardless of whether it makes sense or would prevent violent crime. While it's particularly ironic in this case as well as pathetic in general, what happened is completely consistent with the true goal of gun control everywhere. If NY can't get you on the way in, then they'll get you on the way out, which is analogous, if you think about it, to creating anti-gun laws that only impact law-abiding citizens--they can't stop criminals this way, but at least it helps disarm the rest of the population, one little bit at a time.

    Actually preventing violent crime is never a consideration, except for what is told to the public through the media. And anybody who points out this obvious fact is attacked using purely emotional arguments involving the suffering of the victims of violent crimes that happened to be perpetrated using firearms. "We must do something for them" even if it would not prevent others from being harmed in the future and is therefore completely pointless...well, it couldn't be completely pointless, now could it? Somebody must stand to gain from eventually disarming the population, or else so much effort would not be expended to do so. :scrutiny:

    There are certain automatic emotional reactions most people have to pregnant women. It would be a win for gun control to successfully prosecute and imprison a type of person the public tends to sympathize with and believe means no harm. On the other hand, perhaps our side could use her condition to our advantage in court. Yes, this argument is calculating and cynical, but no more so than those we are up against.
     
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  21. HankR

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    I doubt if she'll still be pregnant when the court cases roll around in a few years
     
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    The fact of the time could still be brought up--emotional and illogical arguments are made in courts, too, not just in legislatures and the media.
     
  23. Bubbles

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    Using the title of the news article decreases the likelihood of dupe threads.
     
  24. harrygunner

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    How can this situation stand? Also, a northeastern winter storm could take you into NYS when you had no intention of being in that state.

    One winter my flight from the east coast to the west coast was canceled due to snow. The airline placed us on a bus into NYS. Once there, the anticipated incoming plane was stuck in Newark, so they rerouted us again. My point is, a flight may be unable to depart with the airline offering overnight hotel arrangements in NYC or as in my adventure, driven into such a state as New York. Fortunately, I did not bring a handgun on that trip.

    If my flight is ever diverted into NY or NJ while I have a gun in my luggage, I'm heading to the car rental booths and driving to Pennsylvania.
     
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    This is their intent, has nothing to do with gun crime. The radical left thinks you're a criminal for having any firearm.
     
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