President Trump Signs Bill to Fund State-Level Gun Range

[Ivy Mike]

Lead remediation is a self funding venture, the $$ is split between the range and the remediation company. Everyone smiles

No govt. funding (and subsequent various levels of rules, regs, oversights, inspections, DELAYS, etc et al) is necessary

No government funding is necessary? Who is paying for the range to begin with, seeing as that's exactly what the bill does? Did you read the bill and what qualifies as a range? How would you propose we handle a serious potential for lead contamination of our public spaces without any oversight? If these are public ranges on federal and state lands, does that mean the government(s) are liable?

And lead remediation is hardly self-funding. The recycled lead might yield a credit on the final bill, but it doesn't pay for itself. Especially if you're not at an indoor range with large bullet traps that collect the ammo. Digging up large sections of outdoor ranges isn't cheap.
And today, we know just how serious lead exposure can be, even at seemingly low levels. Ask anyone who had to use bottled water in Flint Michigan for a couple years. Lead is a serious hazard that comes from shooting guns.

 

[Ivy Mike]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5379568/

 

[BSA1]

It passed on a voice vote which gave the Democrats and, unfortunately RINO's, off the record cover to vote for it.

But a win is a win.

 

[Pat Riot]

One thing that has always baffled me about the “pro gun culture” are those that enjoy the freedom of owning and shooting guns for whatever their reasons, but opt to pee all over any good thing that occurs within that culture.

Here we have a “moment in the sun” and then we have to listen to all the wailing and gnashing of teeth from folks that just can’t seem to take a win without questioning it or picking it to pieces.

Weird...

 

[DoubleMag]

Where does the $ come from...

What happens at a local range. As in an example I know of, ever so many years. Local range owners contact XYZ lead mining company who has machines that pans up the dirt, sifts, and separates the lead and other etc. Metal is weighed either on site or later ( I do not know), and the sale of the reclaimed shot lead is split at some agreed level such as 30% back to the club. This is what happens at a local range, as told to me by a Board member.

At a 100% federal funded shooting range? I dunno.But I doubt a Bureau of Land Offices (or whatever there name is) will check you in at the fenced gate. It will be federally funded I suppose, and ran by civilians using established best practices as ALREADY put forth by national organizations (private) i.e. a NRA sanctioned range.

https://onlinetraining.nra.org/online-courses/nra-range-development-and-operations-course/

 

[Ivy Mike]

One thing that has always baffled me about the “pro gun culture” are those that enjoy the freedom of owning and shooting guns for whatever their reasons, but opt to pee all over any good thing that occurs within that culture.

Here we have a “moment in the sun” and then we have to listen to all the wailing and gnashing of teeth from folks that just can’t seem to take a win without questioning it or picking it to pieces.

Weird...

Given that outdoor pursuits generally contribute a fair chunk of funding to management of our public lands, this shouldn't be baffling at all. The dangers of lead exposure are well known and it's something we should be concerned with. Perhaps now would be a good time to require lead-free bullets at ranges like these.

 

[Texas10mm]

Given that outdoor pursuits generally contribute a fair chunk of funding to management of our public lands, this shouldn't be baffling at all. The dangers of lead exposure are well known and it's something we should be concerned with. Perhaps now would be a good time to require lead-free bullets at ranges like these.

Ahh..no.

Lead isn't the boogeyman it's made out to be. Sitting in a dirt berm it's pretty inert.

 

[Ivy Mike]

Ahh..no.

Lead isn't the boogeyman it's made out to be. Sitting in a dirt berm it's pretty inert.

Lead is very toxic. There's a reason we spent decades getting rid of leaded fuel and Flint MI is ripping up streets and sidewalks to remove old lead pipes.
The problem is that it doesn't just sit in a dirt berm. It ends up getting into water supplies. The land gets used for something else at some point. People get exposed to it and its nasty stuff.
There are laws regarding the handling and disposal of the stuff and a shooting range can accumulate literal tons of the stuff over the years. A couple lead bullets dropped from a range bag aren't a big deal. 30k lbs of the stuff in an outdoor shooting range that's been in operation for a decade is something else.

 

[I6turbo]

No hope whatsoever in the current House.

Hopefully the Democrat/progressive/socialists and the never Trumpers will continue to make passionate hysterical luv to that Russia collusion/obstruction/impeachment chick'n and even the low information voters will get sick of watching them running around with their hair on fire at every Trump tweet, sick of watching them promoting socialism, not doing any actual governing, and maybe those voters will just stay home on election day. Or even vote R. BAM! Both houses and the presidency, plus the cowardly, spineless, Trump-hating Republicans who didn't run in 2018 are replaced with vertebrates. It could happen.

 

[Pat Riot]

Given that outdoor pursuits generally contribute a fair chunk of funding to management of our public lands, this shouldn't be baffling at all. The dangers of lead exposure are well known and it's something we should be concerned with. Perhaps now would be a good time to require lead-free bullets at ranges like these.

Lead is very toxic. There's a reason we spent decades getting rid of leaded fuel and Flint MI is ripping up streets and sidewalks to remove old lead pipes.
The problem is that it doesn't just sit in a dirt berm. It ends up getting into water supplies. The land gets used for something else at some point. People get exposed to it and its nasty stuff.
There are laws regarding the handling and disposal of the stuff and a shooting range can accumulate literal tons of the stuff over the years. A couple lead bullets dropped from a range bag aren't a big deal. 30k lbs of the stuff in an outdoor shooting range that's been in operation for a decade is something else.

I disagree, and Flint is not a shooting range. It was a mismanaged boondoggle.

You want to save the planet and shoot lead free, be my guest. Don’t put your wants or your regulations on me.

 

[mdauben]

Will this bill include funding for remediation of lead, once the shooting ranges close down or become too contaminated to use?
Or did Trump just sign a bunch of future Superfund sites into existence?

As someone who is personally involved in range cleanup projects, the public health impact as well as the cost and effort of cleaning up an outdoor small arms range is relatively minor.

 

[Casefull]

Thank you President Trump. NRA