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Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by shevrock, Jul 8, 2008.

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  1. shevrock

    shevrock Member

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    Well i saw this section, and decided to look at black powder prices and such. is it cheaper to use a black powder gun for fun on the range, then say a 45[random caliber]. Basically I'm asking which is cheaper in the long run.
     
  2. Old Fuff

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    In a black powder gun you have caps (or flints) powder and lead balls. No cartridge case which is the most expensive component in a metallc cartridge.

    It soould be clear which is the least expensive (excluding .22 Rim Fire).
     
  3. shevrock

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    so what's a good little black powder revolver?
     
  4. Smokin_Gun

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    Here's a couple; A LiL! one and a LiL Bigger one! and a Bigger one.!..

    1863 .31cal Pocket Remington
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    1858 .36cal Remington New Model Army (Navy or Army Police)
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    1858 .44cal Remington New Model Army
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    Bought these five in the last month for under $1000 including the War of Northern Agression Chess Set. Revs were bought on Auctions...

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    http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/t...egory&cmCat=MainCatcat20712&_requestid=141226

    SG
     
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  5. arcticap

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    There's not much of a difference in the ammo costs between centerfire and BP revolvers unless a person casts their own round balls. And even then, if a person reloads their own centerfire ammo they can save some money that way too.
    It can cost about 20 cents a round to shoot BP revolvers unless you buy a large quantity of components at a discount or find them on clearance.
    I've recycled brass ammo cases for $1.40 - $1.60 per pound, so even if a person doesn't reload centerfire, they can receive a rebate on their ammo costs by recycling.
    The savings in shooting black powder guns are that folks generally shoot less shots per session because of the additional time spent loading.
    The ammo costs are pretty much a wash in the end. :)
     
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  6. shevrock

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    So where's a good place to get most of what you need?
     
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    Do you want a local shop? If so then we need to know where you are.
    I purchase a lot on Auction Arms.

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  8. moooose102

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    what you may not like is all the cleaning involved in bp shooting. make certain of what you are getting into before you buy. i do not like all the cleaning that HAS TO BE DONE IMMEDIATLY AFTER SHOOTING. my life is rather random, and i have to do some seriuous planning to have a big chunk of time in order to shoot a bunch AND do a complete tear down of the gun in the same day. i know when i go hunting, i will not fire a shot out of it unless i can kill. mostly due to the fact that i have to tear it down that evening. i may go all season with out ever firing a shot. i do change out the bp, however. by blowing out the old stuff with compresed air. then a quick wipe down, let it dry over nite, and reload the next morning.
     
  9. arcticap

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    Many folks here recommend buying revolvers from Cabela's because they have a no B.S. return policy. Plus they sell most supplies and accessories.
    There's a bunch of other places to buy from too if you want another brand beside Pietta, but their guns are more than satisfactory.
     
  10. shevrock

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    Well, i actually love to clean my guns.not in a falic [can't remember how to spell it] kind of way, it's just fun. I do want to check my "local" stores first. theirs one that sucks near a gas station [ :D ] that i think had some good looking blackpowder pistols. I think i might pick up a cheaper one locally, and see how i like blackpowder weapons.

    one other question. If i buy a 44. blackpowder, do i have to use 44 balls.
     
  11. mykeal

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    It's important to use the ammunition the gun was designed for.

    .44 revolvers use .451, .454 or .457 round balls. You can also use conical bullets with the same dimensions.
     
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    In the long run you can most likely come out cheaper per round to go with a muzzle loading gun as far as ammo goes. Muzzle loader shooting, however, is all together different than handgun shooting. It does involve more load time and extra care with the firearm. I don't feel the difference in the cost should sway your decision because it will not be that signifigant. Muzzle loader shooters are a special breed and have their (our) own sense of enjoyment from what we shoot. Talk with different people who shoot muzzle loaders and make sure you are going that route because you want to shoot a muzzle loader, not just because it will save a couple of cents per round.
     
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    nice pics smokin gun


    for sure if your looking for black powder check out cabelas.

    a lot of people will tell you to stay away from brass frames. i have two of them and loaded correctly they shoot really good. i believe cabelas has the 1851 pietta for 139.99. a very good price. this is one of my most accurate guns
     
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    I not making a choice of blackpowder, or normal because of price. it's a small factor, but i really wanna get into blackpowder shooting. The only problem i think is going to be how hard i ride my guns, before i get them "out of the field" and get them cleaned. Would that be a problem for a blackpowder revolver/rifle.
     
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    all i can say is, Stay away from the cabelas 1851 confederate navy .44 revolver! They sent me 4 replacements before telling me to pick out something else.

    They are pure junk and my first and second one fell apart in my hand while shooting them. the replacements they sent me couldnt even fire due to them being froze up.
     
  16. shevrock

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    Is a basic muzzle loading rifle [classic kind] any good. also i've got a civil war era one, that would be really stupid to try to shoot right?
     
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    It sure could be. My black powder revolver is good for about 4, maybe 5 cylinders full before it starts hanging due to fouling build up. At the very least I have to pull the cylinder, wipe down the front of the chambers and the rear of the barrel and I usually push a couple patches through the bore while I'm at it. And if you don't give it a thorough cleaning within 48 hours of shooting (preferably 12 hours) you will almost certainly get rust starting somewhere.

    The rifle is a bit more forgiving as far as number of shots, but still needs cleaned very soon after shooting. I forgot to clean one for 3 days one time and rust was already starting.
     
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    All of UM Are? Or a run a bad luck? They must a been from a Northern Cabelas...What did you get instead and why din't you get the differant model after 2 fell all apart in your hand while shooting them, I'd a owned a piece of Cabelas ifin that happened to me.:cool:

    SG
     
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    There is always BP substitutes such as 777 or APP I have let both a 777 loaded shotgun and lever action rifle go a full year after fireing 50rds rounds thru each without cleaning and didnt have any issues, I would not try this with pyrodex or true blackpowder.
     
  20. mykeal

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    I can't really say if it would be a problem or not, as I don't know what you mean by 'how hard I ride my guns'. Certainly it's a problem if you abuse them, but if all you mean is you shoot them a lot, then no, I don't see a problem.

    Abuse is very heavy loads, allowing dirt to get into the action and bore, allowing moisture to get in the action and bore, etc, the very things you shouldn't do to any firearm, smokeless or black powder. Specifically with respect to black powder, you can expect degrading performance if you shoot a lot without periodic cleaning - how often depends on how much shooting. Going a full year without cleaning any black powder gun is abuse regardless of the type of propellant used. Treat your gun with respect: keep it clean and dry.

    What do you mean by 'basic muzzle loading rifle'? Is it an original 17th century gun? Many can still be used, others are simply dangerous. No generalization can be made without an inspection by a competent gunsmith. The same holds true of modern replicas - condition is very important, so before anyone can answer your question we'd have to have a reasonable description of the condition of the bore and action.
     
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    :uhoh:although i do recommend cleaning as soon as possible after shooting, it is possible to let them go a long time without a problem if you live in a dry climate. i live in west co (very, very dry).
     
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    the first '51 brass frame cabelas revolver, every time i would fire the pistol, the wedge pin and barrel would fly off the frame. They sent me a new wedge pin and it kept doing it, the next time out the entire wedge pin, barrel, cylinder AND cylinder shaft blew off all together. The pin that held the shaft on to the frame broke off.

    the second one, same crap only the pin never broke, it just kept falling out and finally the hammer wouldnt pull back on it any more.

    Invest in a good quality revolver. I havent touched a pistol since that one, and its been a good 10years.
     
  23. shevrock

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    By ride them hard, i mean i shoot and shoot and shoot, in one setting. I went through 50 shotgun shells in 20 minutes. And all of those were fired accurately, and safely. I can go through 22 really fast as well. I treat my guns great afterwords.

    I was wondering, what's the recoil on revolvers and such. Is it like the same caliber weapon, just non-blackpowder.
     
  24. frontiergander

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    recoil is nothing in a .44cal black powder revolver. Its like shooting my 22 mag.
     
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    REALLY:what: I thought it'd be like a real 44.
     
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